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Postby CarterCox » 2018-01-17 13:09

When installing, there is an option saying "system utilities". I'm wondering what that is. I've read this: http://csmojo.com/posts/what-debian-sta ... clude.html and it says a few things about what's missing if you don't install it, but the question is:

I installed the system without it, and I'm missing '"ifconfig" and "less" (that I know of). Are those two included in system utilities or is it just Debian that doesn't have them?
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Re: System utilities

Postby bw123 » 2018-01-17 13:18

Yes, less is marked 'priority standard' I don't have a list handy but that would be one way to look them up. It's probably on the wiki.

ifconfig is not included because they are trying to encourage the use of ip now. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ ... l#iproute2
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Re: System utilities

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-01-17 13:45

Are those two included in system utilities or is it just Debian that doesn't have them?


In the link you posted, it shows a list of what is included:
It will list what is included in "standard system utilities":

They are not in the list, but since that is not clear enough,

Maybe this will answer your questions:
https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-missing-ifconfig-command-on-debian-linux
The ifconfig command has been deprecated and thus missing by default on Debian Linux, starting from Debian stretch.


The same above link, will also point you here:
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/net-tools
This includes arp, ifconfig, netstat, rarp, nameif and route. Additionally, this package contains utilities relating to particular network hardware types (plipconfig, slattach, mii-tool) and advanced aspects of IP configuration (iptunnel, ipmaddr).


If you want the 'less' command, you need to install it:
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/less
pager program similar to more

This package provides "less", a file pager (that is, a memory-efficient utility for displaying text one screenful at a time). Less has many more features than the basic pager "more". As part of the GNU project, it is widely regarded as the standard pager on UNIX-derived systems.

The 'more' command , should be included in a default installation,
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man more


So, if you want the 'less' command, and 'ifconfig' command, selecting this,
there is an option saying "system utilities"

"system utilities" option, will not make any difference. You will need to install
the other packages as well,.
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Re: System utilities

Postby CarterCox » 2018-01-18 01:42

Great! I've been having a hard time setting up the network, and I don't have Ethernet so I couldn't install the net-tools. I'll give iproute2 a shot.

I have been using the "more" command anyways, which is sort of crucial since I don't have a desktop, but I was wondering about "less".

Just to be clear, the system utilities are just "commands"? Or is there something else?

Thanks for the answers!
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Re: System utilities

Postby bw123 » 2018-01-18 01:53

CarterCox wrote:Great! I've been having a hard time setting up the network, and I don't have Ethernet so I couldn't install the net-tools. I'll give iproute2 a shot.

I have been using the "more" command anyways, which is sort of crucial since I don't have a desktop, but I was wondering about "less".

Just to be clear, the system utilities are just "commands"? Or is there something else?

Thanks for the answers!


After lookng at the wiki, it seems that tasksel "system utilities" might be related to what used to be a special task that installs pkgs marked "standard, required, important."

I think it would be a good idea to always install with this selected during installation. i don't know how to do it after install though.

You can find them with the command:
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aptitude search ~prequired ~pimportant ~pstandard

I think there have been changes to tasksel since the wiki was updated. Some of the packages have changed, along with the switch from "standard" to "system utilities."

https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task
"standard" task The standard task is a special task used by Debian Installer. It actually relies on the packages' priority. What does the "standard system" task include? tasksel --task-packages standard * ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant
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Re: System utilities

Postby CarterCox » 2018-01-18 03:57

It is probably a good idea to install the, but I want to have as little as possible installed. That's why I'm using Debian and that's why I'm looking to install LXDE-core as the DE.

If I ever find myself missing some commands I'll install them one by one. For now I'll try to get my network connection up and running :D
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