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[SOLVED-for now] The ultimate package building laptop?
- stevepusser
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Re: The ultimate compiling laptop?
Actually, for package building just an integrated Intel GPU is fine, but I guess that's disabled from what I can see on the web page. Hey, later this year Intel will be shipping processors with integrated AMD GPUs instead of the Intel ones.
I don't know what the most powerful AMD laptop is, but I think Ryzen support in the kernel is still not fully cooked yet.
I don't know what the most powerful AMD laptop is, but I think Ryzen support in the kernel is still not fully cooked yet.
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Re: The ultimate compiling laptop?
That would be most welcome indeed for the required use, +30-40% was (initially?) announced if I remember well.stevepusser wrote:I saw one reviewer say that the eighth generation Intel chips have almost double the number crunching power of the seventh generation, which would also be nice.
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Re: The ultimate compiling (package building) laptop?
Beastlyi7-8700K...
GTX 1080
Just flat out "ultimate performance laptop" compiling, gaming, rendering, whatever. Might have to get one to run Gentoo on
That looks like a pretty beefy cooling arrangement too, wonder what kind of load it can do continuous?
As for the Nvidia vs AMD debate back a bit, I too have had "fun" with the garbage AMD/ATI drivers. Never again. Nvidia may be non-free and a bit of a PITA, but at least their drivers work.
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Ice Bucket Challenge it?wizard10000 wrote:I think the biggest issue you're gonna have on a laptop is cooling and sadly, there ain't a whole lot you're going to be able to do about it.
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A review I saw said you're going to roast some delicate bits if you actually try and use it on your lap. I imagine battery life is going to be quite short, too, but that's not a concern for me.alan stone wrote:Ice Bucket Challenge it?wizard10000 wrote:I think the biggest issue you're gonna have on a laptop is cooling and sadly, there ain't a whole lot you're going to be able to do about it.
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Re: The ultimate compiling (package building) laptop?
Does anybody here believe in the paradigmatic superiority of open source development?steve_v wrote:Nvidia may be non-free and a bit of a PITA, but at least their drivers work.
The amdgpu driver is a massive improvement over fglrx precisely because AMD open-sourced the development and their efforts deserve our support (notwithstanding the firmware issues, which Intel now also have).
Anyway, the idea is that we punish NVIDIA and the other blobby miscreants by denying them our cash and taking the performance hit like a man, righteously.
@stevepusser: sorry for the diversion.
I would go for something like this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/t ... 2TP2TT5800
^ Intel i7-8550U and no nasty NVIDIA cards to be seen
OK it's only the mobile version of the CPU but it should still do fairly well.
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Re: The ultimate compiling (package building) laptop?
So we should buy AMD cards and put them on shelf ?Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Anyway, the idea is that we punish NVIDIA and the other blobby miscreants by denying them our cash and taking the performance hit like a man, righteously.
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Re: The ultimate compiling (package building) laptop?
Thanks! The Lenovo looks nice. You can add a discrete Nvidia card for $125 US , which would be useful for testing MX's Nvidia installer tool. With that, the i7-8650u, 16 GB RAM, backlist keyboard, and a 512 GB NVME SSD drive, it comes to $2000 and won't roast nuts.
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Re: The ultimate compiling (package building) laptop?
Purely out of curiosity, what's stopping you from making a headless (eg, mini itx) build with, say, hostapd for direct access (or, if you're mobile at hotels or something, using the television for a monitor)? Wouldn't the power output and machine weight be comparable anyway? That way, you can also solve the cooling issue, and I don't see the disadvantage to a case like this if your laptop would be massive and heavy anyway.
https://www.amazon.com/Morex-Universal- ... i+itx+case
(I personally just offload any heavy-lifting to a box at home.)
https://www.amazon.com/Morex-Universal- ... i+itx+case
(I personally just offload any heavy-lifting to a box at home.)
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Re: The ultimate compiling (package building) laptop?
I do, but I also require my hardware to work properly.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Does anybody here believe in the paradigmatic superiority of open source development?
This particular hair-shirt is still unacceptably itchy.
Cool. When it works as well as the Nvidia blob, and the actual hardware performs as well as the Nvidia cards (without bullshitting about their power consumption), then I'll use it.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:The amdgpu driver is a massive improvement over fglrx precisely because AMD open-sourced the development and their efforts deserve our support
My past experience with AMD/ATI GPUs has been severely lacking in both respects, and Intel doesn't make anything with the performance I want. That leaves one option.
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Yeah, I guess all that power can go to waste if you can't run at full speed for more than a short time. I can run my current Acer i5-6200U laptop flat out building kernels for hours at a time and it never gets over 73 C, but I guess the only way to find this kind of stuff is to try and find an actual user review.
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I found test results at the notebookcheck site...it seems like most with a "u" processor don't suffer temperature slowdowns. They do multiple runs of the Cinebench benchmark and see if they take longer the more runs they do.
But now I am wondering if it's worth waiting for the next versions of the Intel processors that are supposed to solve any Spectre and Meltdown vunerabilities, and if those will still be subject to the same performance loss with a hardened kernel that the current processors suffer. Those chips are supposed to be out in the next few months.
But now I am wondering if it's worth waiting for the next versions of the Intel processors that are supposed to solve any Spectre and Meltdown vunerabilities, and if those will still be subject to the same performance loss with a hardened kernel that the current processors suffer. Those chips are supposed to be out in the next few months.
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Re: The ultimate compiling (package building) laptop?
It seems that there is going to be a new crop of six-core i7-8750H laptops that are considerably less expensive, lighter, and get better battery life than the previous ones we've been looking at, such as this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6834154821 I'll have to check the reviews when they start selling. Since I wouldn't be using the powerful Nvidia card for compiling, hopefully it has dual Optimus graphics.
Hmmm...wi-fi is Intel 9560 Jefferson Peak (2x2 802.11ac). Usually Intel wi-fi is not the worst to get working if it doesn't work OOTB.
Hmmm...wi-fi is Intel 9560 Jefferson Peak (2x2 802.11ac). Usually Intel wi-fi is not the worst to get working if it doesn't work OOTB.
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I finally went ahead and pulled the trigger on this one, which has some even better specs than the other MSI: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BWF4H3W/re ... =UTF8&th=1
as well as hard drive activity, key lock, and num lock LEDs, all of which my present two-core Acer lacks, though I have worked around that with taskbar indicators for those.
as well as hard drive activity, key lock, and num lock LEDs, all of which my present two-core Acer lacks, though I have worked around that with taskbar indicators for those.
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Re: [SOLVED-for now] The ultimate package building laptop?
It actually weighs the same as the first one, 4.8 pounds,
or about 2.13 kg. Not bad, if you don't have to carry it around airports.
or about 2.13 kg. Not bad, if you don't have to carry it around airports.
MX18: Lenovo T430: Intel Ivy Bridge i5-3320M, 8 GB RAM, 4.19.0-1-amd64, 119 GB SSD
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Re: [SOLVED-for now] The ultimate package building laptop?
My present laptop is heavier, so 2.2 Kg is an upgrade. But the power brick is no doubt going to be bigger and heavier, since my current lappy doesn't use that much current. The new one has a 45 watt TPD CPU and 95 watt Nvidia 1050 Ti GPU that will be turned off when I'm compiling. I hope the turbo extra super-duper fan speed button works on the new one in Linux if I see it getting too hot; if I'm lucky, it's done in acpi and Linux will just work with it, as well as the rest of the function hot keys.
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Re: [SOLVED-for now] The ultimate package building laptop?
Looking forward to reading the reports in the forums.
It looks like a great machine.
It looks like a great machine.
MX18: Lenovo T430: Intel Ivy Bridge i5-3320M, 8 GB RAM, 4.19.0-1-amd64, 119 GB SSD