Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

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Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby stevepusser » 2018-11-25 23:59

Tearing is disjointed and split frames in video, especially during movement; rapid movement makes it even worse.

We had a couple MX users report it suddenly started, but some investigation showed they meant streaming video in a browser, and that when they downloaded the same video, a player such as VLC was able to play it without any tearing. They hadn't changed any video-related packages recently, either, so I think this points to some change in what Youtube is providing, or a change in the browser, which we do update fairly often, as Debian does update Chromium.

Anyway, I'm interested if anyone else is having the same experience--I can't reproduce it on my machine with the same videos. Here's a testing video: https://youtu.be/5xkNy9gfKOg
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby 4D696B65 » 2018-11-26 00:08

stevepusser wrote:Here's a testing video: https://youtu.be/5xkNy9gfKOg

No tearing with gtx460m nvidia blob running sid firefox 60.0.1
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby stevepusser » 2018-11-26 00:37

4D696B65 wrote:
stevepusser wrote:Here's a testing video: https://youtu.be/5xkNy9gfKOg

No tearing with gtx460m nvidia blob running sid firefox 60.0.1


Hmm--isn't Sid up to 63.0.3? Anyway, thanks---one of our users with the problem is using the n-blob driver on a Stretch base with Firefox 63.0.3 Mozilla binaries, and the "force-composition" tweak to prevent tearing, which works on standard video players.
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby 4D696B65 » 2018-11-26 00:51

stevepusser wrote:
4D696B65 wrote:
stevepusser wrote:Here's a testing video: https://youtu.be/5xkNy9gfKOg

No tearing with gtx460m nvidia blob running sid firefox 60.0.1


Hmm--isn't Sid up to 63.0.3? Anyway, thanks---one of our users with the problem is using the n-blob driver on a Stretch base with Firefox 63.0.3 Mozilla binaries, and the "force-composition" tweak to prevent tearing, which works on standard video players.

typo :oops:
63.0.1
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$ apt policy firefox
firefox:
  Installed: 63.0.1-1
  Candidate: 63.0.1-1
  Version table:
 *** 63.0.1-1 500
        500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby Bulkley » 2018-11-26 02:52

Waterfox 56.2.3 running in user space shows tearing
Firefox Quantum 63.0.3 running in user space no tearing
Slimjet 18.0.4.0 running in user space shows tearing
Firefox Quantum 60.3.0esr installed from Debian repository no tearing but a bit fuzzy
Pale Moon 27.9.4 running in user space shows tearing
IceCat 38.8.0 running in user space shows tearing
Tor 8.0.3 running in user space shows tearing

Downloaded via youtube-dl and run with MPV and Totem both show tearing

This machine is about 10 years old. For the record:
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~$ inxi -G
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1680x1050@59.88hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Desktop
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6


I wonder if machine performance is a more important factor than Youtube.

Curiously, I never noticed any tearing until you put up this thread and test video. Obviously, it's not severe enough to bother me.
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-11-26 06:09

Smooth as silk for me.
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Puffy:~$ uname -a         
OpenBSD Puffy.lan 6.4 GENERIC.MP#464 amd64
Puffy:~$ pkg_info chromium
Information for inst:chromium-70.0.3538.102p0

Comment:
Chromium browser

Description:
Chromium is an open-source browser project that aims
to build a safer, faster, and more stable way for all
Internet users to experience the web.

Maintainer: Robert Nagy <robert@openbsd.org>

WWW: https://www.chromium.org/Home


Puffy:~$

I'm running the Intel DDX driver (xf86-video-intel) with the TearFree option enabled.

I'll test Debian buster tonight...

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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby Zjho » 2018-11-26 13:03

Someone in the comments section of the OP link YT vid said to switch on "Use hardware acceleration where available" in Chrome settings and this got rid of some minor tearing on my screen. Like Buckley, never really noticed tearing before and i watch a lot of YT.

Kernel: 4.9.0-8-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
Card: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti]
Display Server: X.org 1.19.2
Browser: google-chrome-stable (70.0.3538.110-1)
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-11-26 17:41

Even smoother under Debian buster.
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empty@buster:~ $ uname -a
Linux buster 4.18.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.18.10-2 (2018-11-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
empty@buster:~ $ lspci -knn | grep -iA2 vga
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02)
        Subsystem: Lenovo Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [17aa:215a]
        Kernel driver in use: i915
empty@buster:~ $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf                           
Section "Device"
        Identifier "Intel Graphics"
        Driver "intel"
        Option "TearFree" "yes"
EndSection
empty@buster:~ $ apt policy chromium
chromium:
  Installed: 70.0.3538.67-2
  Candidate: 70.0.3538.67-2
  Version table:
     70.0.3538.110-1 100
        100 https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
 *** 70.0.3538.67-2 500
        500 https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
empty@buster:~ $
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby stevepusser » 2018-11-26 17:55

Thanks!

I haven't been able to figure out any common factor for those with the problem. :(
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-11-26 18:05

Steve, I looked at the Video, and got a lot of tearing, but I was not using Debian,
and FireFox 62.0.3 was the browser, I did not try other browsers.
How ever, when I looked at other Videos, on youtube there is no tearing, in fact that usually is never a problem for me, it seems odd to me that the only time I get any tearing is with that one video, ...
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-11-26 18:48

GarryRicketson wrote:the only time I get any tearing is with that one video, ...

The video is designed to tear, it will exaggerate the effect on any machine.

Which operating system did you test under? OpenBSD?
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-11-26 18:59

Yes, but like I said, I don't have any problem with other videos.
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Re: Have Youtube videos started showing tearing for you?

Postby piper » 2018-11-27 14:49

No tearing here either

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4.19.4-towo.2-siduction-amd64 x86_64
GTX 970 using 396.54
firefox/thunderbird nightly at 65.0a1 (2018-11-27) (64-bit)


Based on sid and buildd repos :)
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