How to install windows 10

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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby GarryRicketson » 2019-01-09 14:04

by MagicPoulp » 2019-01-09 08:42

GarryRicketson wrote:
I suppose if you trust microsoft, it would be ok. I don't trust them




So many banks only support a bank login on Windows.

But I don't think the windows backdoors are powerful enough or designed to take over the bank login.




Myths, produced by MS promoters, I have never had any problems with logging into any banks, online, and I don't use MS windows.
Ironic, here on this forum :
Debian User Forums, and we have this topic,....How to install windows 10 :(
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby Segfault » 2019-01-09 14:04

Question to all Windows users.

You wouldn't go for a ride in a car which has no brakes and no steering, would you?
But you go online with an OS which has horrible privacy and security issues. Just one of these is already showstopper for me, but you go ahead, get your credentials stolen and join a botnet so your computer can be used to commit cybercrimes.
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby MagicPoulp » 2019-01-09 15:09

None1975 wrote:
MagicPoulp wrote:But I don't think the windows backdoors are powerful enough or designed to take over the bank login.

You are wrong.


The bank logins are quite advanced. And they require external hardware that one connects via the USB port.

The backdoors in Windows have many applications. But bank logins is not their priority. BAckdoors are often supported by agencies like NSA, FBI, etc. They don't aim to login to the bank of people.
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby MagicPoulp » 2019-01-10 08:58

GarryRicketson wrote:
Myths, produced by MS promoters, I have never had any problems with logging into any banks, online, and I don't use MS windows.
Ironic, here on this forum :
Debian User Forums, and we have this topic,....How to install windows 10 :(


OK I generalized too fast. Not all banks. My bank requires windows to login.

If you play games, Windows only is supported for most games. Certain games can be played in "wine" emulation under Linux, but it is very cumbersome to configure and bug-prone.

Certain applications on windows can be nice. My digital camera software requires Windows. Skype works better on Windows.
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby None1975 » 2019-01-10 13:35

MagicPoulp wrote: They don't aim to login to the bank of people.

You are wrong again. Trust me. They do so :twisted:
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby MagicPoulp » 2019-01-10 14:07

millpond wrote:I do not trust Linux either as some of it key networking components (think heartbeat) are derived from shadowy figures and academics, some hearkening all the way back to Darpanet.


You can't trust anything. But you can trust Linux more than Windows since the internals are open source. So a heavy malware will be harder to hide in Linux compared to Windows. But anything is possible. Someone even mentioned injectable firmware to invade computers at the processor level.
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-01-10 16:17

MagicPoulp wrote:injectable firmware to invade computers at the processor level

No need for that, most modern processors already have nice, convenient side-channels for the crackers to use.

Works in both Windows and GNU/Linux as well, which is nice.
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby MagicPoulp » 2019-01-11 11:45

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:No need for that, most modern processors already have nice, convenient side-channels for the crackers to use.
?

Which side channels are you talking about?
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby GarryRicketson » 2019-01-11 14:03

The ones used for remote access, maybe ,
most modern processors already have nice, convenient side-channels for the crackers to use
Lot's of interesting info , from 1 result:
https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity15/sec15-paper-masti.pdf
Side channels remain a challenge to information flow
control and security in modern computing platforms. Re-
source partitioning techniques that minimise the number
of shared resources among processes are often used to
address this challenge. In this work, we focus on multi-
core platforms and we demonstrate that even seemingly
strong isolation techniques based on dedicated cores can
be circumvented through the use of thermal channels.
Specifically, we show that the processor core tempera-
ture can be used both as a side channel as well as a
covert communication channel even when the system im-
plements strong spatial and temporal partitioning. Our
experiments on an Intel Xeon server platform demon-
strate covert thermal channels that achieve up to 12.5 bps
and weak thermal side channels that can detect processes
executed on neighbouring cores. This work therefore
shows a limitation in the isolation that can be achieved
on existing multi-core systems.


From another, but I will let the OP do their own searching, if they want to find where,and more details:
New Cache Side
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Channel Attack Techniques

2005: L1 cache
Prime+Probe
and
Evict+Time
attacks using SMT

2007: L1 cache
Prime+Probe
attacks without SMT

2010: L1 cache
Flush+Reload
attacks without SMT

2014: Cross
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core
Flush+Reload
attacks

2015: Cross
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core
Prime+Probe
attacks

2016: Cache storage
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channel attacks

2016:
Cross
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core
Flush+Flush
attacks

2017:
Cross
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core
Prime+Abort
attacks

2017: Side channels leveraging Intel Processor Trace

2018--2019, new discoveries are being made daily
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby None1975 » 2019-01-11 14:09

MagicPoulp wrote:Which side channels are you talking about?

Check this.
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby MagicPoulp » 2019-01-11 14:50

Ah ok it is related to the timing attack first referred to as Spectre and Meltdown. And they say CPUs need a new architecture design.

I thought it was something else.

Here is another thing. Using more that just software, it is possible to use electromagnetic measurements to hack a CPU. Like reading the "mind" of the computer using probabilistic guesses.
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-01-11 19:47

MagicPoulp wrote:I thought it was something else

There are *many* potential side-channels and more are added with each new processor, the developers just can't help themselves... :roll:
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Re: How to install windows 10

Postby millpond » 2019-01-13 04:23

Dunno about side-channels, but the real issue id ring0 CORES hidden in modern chips. Can network with system 'off'.

As for banking, 95% of boogerware is designed specifically to grab the info - usually with screen captures and keyloggers.
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