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Re: go back to windows?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2019-01-29 01:34

A few years ago, I was travelling and had to do something on a computer, print some document, or something, any way since I did not have my laptop with me (usually I do), I went to a public library and used one their computers, it was Windows, and it was so embarrassing, I was totally lost, could not find a command prompt, or anything, finally I asked one of the librarians to help me, she did, and went so fast I did not really see what she did, clicked a few things, and it was printed to their printer. Honestly I do not see how people work with such a god awful , user unfriendly, OS and fail to understand why so many prefer it.
Really it is to bad the public libraries don't keep at least one or 2 PC's that are non windows, maybe there are some that do, don't know on that.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby sickpig » 2019-01-29 04:56

GarryRicketson wrote:A few years ago, I was travelling and had to do something on a computer, print some document, or something, any way since I did not have my laptop with me (usually I do), I went to a public library and used one their computers, it was Windows, and it was so embarrassing, I was totally lost, could not find a command prompt, or anything, finally I asked one of the librarians to help me, she did, and went so fast I did not really see what she did, clicked a few things, and it was printed to their printer. Honestly I do not see how people work with such a god awful , user unfriendly, OS and fail to understand why so many prefer it.
Really it is to bad the public libraries don't keep at least one or 2 PC's that are non windows, maybe there are some that do, don't know on that.


Windows is super user friendly and with zero learning curve, probably because every computer user of this or last generation was just born into it.

If anyone says linux is easy than windows, off the bat, then they are lying. Period.

fair's fair.

It has got lot of pluses. I would not hate it unnecessarily.

But yeah in terms of resource hogging it is second to none. I mean 1.4 gig of ram out of 4 for just base OS is pure crazy. Blatant wastage of hardware.

And the hard disk read write was always on for no reason like it was haunted.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-01-29 07:10

sickpig wrote:Windows is super user friendly and with zero learning curve, probably because every computer user of this or last generation was just born into it.

If anyone says linux is easy than windows, off the bat, then they are lying. Period.

Nice of you to acknowledge the existence of users like myself & Garry who started out using computers when there was no such thing as a graphical user interface...

For people like us the command line is the "normal" interface and anything else is just a confusing pile of nonsense — babies point, adults talk ;)
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby sickpig » 2019-01-29 08:21

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:babies point, adults talk ;)


:lol: :D thats nice one. I like
true, without gui i would be alice in wonderland
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby sgage » 2019-01-29 12:31

"If anyone says linux is easy than windows, off the bat, then they are lying. Period."

Please don't make idiotic totalizing statements like that, and then follow them up with the idiotic, thought-stopping 'Period.'

What I think you meant to say was... "If anyone says Linux is easier to use for someone who has never seen it before, and has used nothing but Windows all their life, they are wrong, in my opinion."
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby None1975 » 2019-01-29 13:24

I don't need Windows products. Why? Because Microsoft's Software is Malware!
Here is information for thought https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware ... ft.en.html
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby Danielsan » 2019-01-29 13:53

sickpig wrote:Windows is super user friendly and with zero learning curve, probably because every computer user of this or last generation was just born into it.


I would argue the exact contrary, I recently setup a new computer for my wife with W10 and I didn't remember how obscure and redundant are the Windows OSes, everything is a continue session of nested options there is nothing just at one click away like GNU or even macOS. For every stupid thing you have to open at least 3 dialogs, awful, a nightmare.

I am very happy to have decided ten years ago to make a complete switch to GNU/Linux!
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-01-29 15:27

^ It is actually possible to do most things in Win10 from the powershell command-line interface but it's not common knowledge and the syntax is bizarre if you're used to Unix-like operating systems.

I actually quite like powershell, it's rather efficient and *much* better than all those dialogue boxes, IMO.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby CwF » 2019-01-29 15:41

Be real. The two system really don't compete. Sure they overlap, and for meany their 100% use case is within that overlap. When that is not the case, it's not the case.

I run software that cost more than my computer. It doesn't run on Linux. It NEVER will. It does run IN Linux, in a hardware assisted vm.

My first log on was sync-on-green. Not even ncurses 'graphics'. The ability to display massive data in a fluid and dynamic way is not possible without a modern gui. Sometimes complexity is simplicity. Most things I've moved from MS to Linux result in more clicks, not fewer. If MS has that option nested 3 dialogs deep, that's not over complex BS when the alternative is no option other than a long command line you could type wrong. I did 3d CAD on a command line, line by line of vector based instruction. In no way a fun or better way to do it. The command line can be better for seldom done things where a GUI might need a complicated layout, and why have such complexity for something rarely done. So system admin, maybe cli is better. Most programs don't fit that model of useage.

Bloat is all you people. You can trim down older windows, I don't need to bother with anything past XP. Of my 7 currently running vm's 2 are XP. One, running 3 programs is at 265MB, the hardware assisted one is idling with nothing much going on at 278MB. They start up around 138MB. But then again, what does it matter. RAM is CHEAP. My debians are not that small, and less functional in many ways.

Overall, People use Windows because they have to. People use Linux because they CAN.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby Danielsan » 2019-01-29 17:02

I don't get your post.

Your personal experience still remain your personal experience.

Saying that W10 is super user friendly it is simply not true. MacOS is really super friendly everything is related with the system and the hardware it is into one, easy to understand, control panel, it is really dumb proof.

The XFCE control panel is clearly inspired to the macOS control panel, and it is very intuitive, unless you don't stumble in some hardware issue everything is pretty easy to setup, for example now I am dealing with an Nvidia Card and a second monitor, of course on GNU/Linux you have always problem with proprietary stuff...
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby wizard10000 » 2019-01-29 17:33

sickpig wrote:...If anyone says linux is easy than windows, off the bat, then they are lying. Period.


And you would be incorrect. Period.

If someone has never used Windows they learn Linux about ten times easier than a Windows user will.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby sickpig » 2019-01-29 18:24

CwF wrote:I run software that cost more than my computer. It doesn't run on Linux. It NEVER will. It does run IN Linux, in a hardware assisted vm.


Am curious to understand why it wont EVER run on linux? is it a hardware limitation? if that is the case then your software wont run in any OS or will lag if it runs.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby sickpig » 2019-01-29 18:26

Danielsan wrote:The XFCE control panel is clearly inspired to the macOS control panel, and it is very intuitive, unless you don't stumble in some hardware issue everything is pretty easy to setup, for example now I am dealing with an Nvidia Card and a second monitor, of course on GNU/Linux you have always problem with proprietary stuff...


you got that right. am a big fan of xfce myself. not the DE though. I use just the panel with openbox. so intuitive it is.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby CwF » 2019-01-29 19:36

sickpig wrote:Am curious to understand why it wont EVER run on linux? is it a hardware limitation? if that is the case then your software wont run in any OS or will lag if it runs.

Period specific software and hardware connections that have no real market to reinvest in.
Many gadgets OBDII and prior, for flashing and programming ECM's, TCM's and other 'modules'. There are large categories of hardware/software combos that were originally vertical in their market. They have been saturated and left behind. Sometimes there isn't a next generation. Generally, it's lucky that usable software made it to the desktop to begin with, and that software is all there is that does what it does. It typically runs under emulations. The hardware it hooks to usually doesn't like emulation. Serial port equipment is usually ok, usb often needs a real hardware passed port. Qemu KVM with vfio hardware does fine, running XP.
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Re: go back to windows?

Postby sickpig » 2019-01-29 19:59

Thanks for sharing CwF

thats what even i see most vendors dont release linux specific software

take adobe pdf reader for instance, but its their loss, i just shifted to foxit. Which is better in many aspects.

also google drive, no easy usable official alternative. i know there are command line alternatives. but I prefer gui for daily tasks. so i shifted to dropbox
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