Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

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Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby Dynamo » 2009-11-14 01:55

Hi,

Is there anything that is specific to Ubuntu that will not work on Debian?

Example 1: Ubuntu One cloud base drive.

Example 2: Arkeia Network Backup Software for Ubuntu
http://www.arkeia.com/en/partners/techn ... ers/ubuntu

Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby emariz » 2009-11-14 06:59

DKMS, Ubuntu Software Store, Jockey, Xsplash, Upstart, Firefox...
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby sinical » 2009-11-14 08:16

I really wish the PPA's worked with debian :( Its nearly making me wanna switch over
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby advocatux » 2009-11-14 13:25

Dynamo wrote:Hi,

Is there anything that is specific to Ubuntu that will not work on Debian?


Default brown theme color, it doesn't mix well with Debian logo :lol:
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby craigevil » 2009-11-14 13:57

em4r1z wrote:DKMS, Ubuntu Software Store, Jockey, Xsplash, Upstart, Firefox...

$ apt-cache policy dkms
dkms:
Installed: 2.1.0.1-2
Candidate: 2.1.0.1-2
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 works just fine same for iceweasel
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091028 Iceweasel/3.5.5 (like Firefox/3.5.5; Debian-3.5.5-1)

Package upstart
* squeeze (testing) (admin): event-based init daemon
0.6.3-1+b1: armel ia64
0.6.3-1: amd64 hppa i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
* sid (unstable) (admin): event-based init daemon
0.6.3-1+b1: armel ia64
0.6.3-1: alpha amd64 hppa i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc

Jockey doesn't do anything that a simple apt-get install doesn't already do.
Bugs in Jockey driver manager - https://bugs.launchpad.net/jockey

xsplash,usplash,plymoth all suck and make booting slower. feel free to time a default Debian install with karmic. Debian on my desktop boots to lxde in under 30 seconds, on my eee it boots in under 20 seconds.

So the answer to the OP is pretty much NO, there is nothing Ubuntu does that Debian doesn't already do.
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby Dynamo » 2009-11-14 14:35

Come on guys, you know what I meant. I was wondering about the important features that affect usability and performance. So far what I discover is:

- The theme is negligible.
- The Ubuntu Software Centre may be cool but I guess can be compensated by something else

- The lack of PPA in Software source seems more serious, lets say I use Wine and Avant Windows Navigator. I put their deb http://etc. in software source and each time I do system update, these software are also updated. Is it possible to do the same with Debian? As the line start with "deb" so I expect it to be possible. However, seems like PPA is not working OK (comment by "sinical" in post #3), what is it about exactly?
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby craigevil » 2009-11-14 15:15

Dynamo wrote:Come on guys, you know what I meant. I was wondering about the important features that affect usability and performance. So far what I discover is:

- The theme is negligible.
- The Ubuntu Software Centre may be cool but I guess can be compensated by something else

- The lack of PPA in Software source seems more serious, lets say I use Wine and Avant Windows Navigator. I put their deb http://etc. in software source and each time I do system update, these software are also updated. Is it possible to do the same with Debian? As the line start with "deb" so I expect it to be possible. However, seems like PPA is not working OK (comment by "sinical" in post #3), what is it about exactly?

Wine is already in Debian repos as is awn. If you want a newer version of wine you can use the repo at:
WineHQ - Wine for Debian Lenny - http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny

Seriously other than some off the wall package ubuntu has very few packages that debian doesn't. And most of them already have a 3rd party debian repo, check out the sources.list in my signature. Just using the 'official' debian repo lenny has over 20k packages and sid has close to 25k, add in debian-multimedia.org and you have even more.
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby Polaris96 » 2009-11-15 02:29

Upstart qualifies as important. It's nice but I don't miss it.

TrueCrypt is a nice steganographic (hidden and encrypted) filesystem that we don't have. You could compile from source if you NEEDED it. ecryptfs is plenty good for most people.

probabaly Ubuntu's nicest feature is the multimedia repo. You get all the bells and whistles by simply coding:
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apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras


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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby craigevil » 2009-11-15 03:30

Debian utilities for Truecrypt (R) 4.3a source in Launchpad - https://launchpad.net/truecrypt-installer

While not an 'offical' debian script exoodles works great.
Easy way to install Multimedia codecs, flash, java, mplayer - LinuxQuestions.org - http://www.linuxquestions.org/blog/crai ... ayer-2092/
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby Polaris96 » 2009-11-15 03:56

@ craigevil: many people know how much I love ubuntu lol. I USE debian.
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby Roel63 » 2009-11-30 20:49

Dynamo wrote:- The Ubuntu Software Centre may be cool but I guess can be compensated by something else


There is no need to compensate the Ubuntu Software Centre. The Software Centre is coming to Debian already.

It's in Sid by now.
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby nadir » 2009-11-30 20:56

how is it called? i can`t find it. thanks
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby Roel63 » 2009-11-30 21:19

nadir wrote:how is it called? i can`t find it. thanks


Can't find it at the moment, but look here:

http://juliank.wordpress.com/2009/11/30 ... to-debian/

Info was found through http://planet.debian.org
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby julian67 » 2009-12-01 00:41

Here is one thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do:

Ship an install CD/DVD that includes software that depends on a proprietary service (Ubuntu One).
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Re: Any thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do?

Postby Roel63 » 2009-12-01 07:59

julian67 wrote:Here is one thing specific to Ubuntu that Debian cannot do:

Ship an install CD/DVD that includes software that depends on a proprietary service (Ubuntu One).


But Debian developed contrib and non-free repositories to support proprietary drivers and firmware. Isn't that almost the same?
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