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Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby trotskyicepick » 2010-06-02 10:26

I'm finding I am increasingly frustrated at having to use a 2 year old version of the inferior Iceweasel browser instead of Firefox.

Is their any way to either upgrade Iceweasel to the latest Icecat or better still to remove Iceweasel and install the latest Firefox?

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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby refracta » 2010-06-02 10:29

yes
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby trotskyicepick » 2010-06-02 10:57

refracta wrote:yes


Err...well...I suppose that's an answer of sorts. Whenever I try to apt-get install firefox I'm told I can't do so because Debian uses Iceweasel. I can't find a Debian package for Icecat only repositories for the Ubuntu version.

Any "better" suggestions?
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby craigevil » 2010-06-02 11:10

download Mozilla Firefox, extract it, create a shortcut , create a new profile, 2 minutes work and you have the REAL Firefox.
you can also install Iceweasel 3.5.8 from the backports repo.

or you do it this way > Tech Patterns :: Switching from Debian Iceweasel to Firefox, permanently - http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html

You can do pretty much the same thing if you want Seamonkey instead of Firefox.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby refracta » 2010-06-02 11:18

trotskyicepick wrote:Err...well...I suppose that's an answer of sorts.

err...well....you asked "Is their any way" not how to do so...

You can remove iceweasel by using you favorite package manager. You can get icecat at the icecat site. You can get firefox at the firefox site.

I would love to hear how iceweasel is inferior?

Although you didn't ask, you can get a newer version of iceweasel from http://backports.org/
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby craigevil » 2010-06-02 11:26

refracta wrote:
I would love to hear how iceweasel is inferior?


weasels are mean and ugly, foxes are cute. :P
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby trotskyicepick » 2010-06-02 11:43

craigevil wrote:
refracta wrote:
I would love to hear how iceweasel is inferior?


weasels are mean and ugly, foxes are cute. :P


Quite right :lol:

Nah I just am used to Firefox under Ubuntu at home and prefer it because it's more up-to-date than the 2 year old Iceweasel I have to use at work. As pointed out I could update Iceweasel using a backport, but I'd really rather not do that.

I think Firebug also works better under "real" Firefox anyway.

Thanks craigevil, have followed instructions and all is now well in Firefox world.

Refracta...should I really have needed to ask howto...it shoulda been obvious thats the info I needed :wink:
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby bugsbunny » 2010-06-02 11:45

craigevil wrote:
refracta wrote:
I would love to hear how iceweasel is inferior?


weasels are mean and ugly, foxes are cute. :P


Those are regular weasels. ice weasels are a special breed that are friendly and cuddly as they've had all the meaness bred out of them. As for ugly - they say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

They say that fire and ice don't mix, but these two critters get along just fine, and genetically are just about identical. Not what some would expect, but absolutely true.
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby bugsbunny » 2010-06-02 11:52

I think Firebug also works better under "real" Firefox anyway.
I call bs on this statement. There may be a difference due to versions, but not due to iceweasel vs firefox.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a practical difference between iceweasel and firefox (There is only one that I know of, and it's one that almost no one ever complains about since almost no one is even aware of it)
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby trotskyicepick » 2010-06-02 12:02

One thing I have already noticed is that Firefox is using approximately 30% less memory and 50% less CPU than Iceweasel was using (and btw, that was one of the main reasons I didn't like using it, even though, paradoxically it is supposed to be more "lightweight").
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby bugsbunny » 2010-06-02 12:31

trotskyicepick wrote:One thing I have already noticed is that Firefox is using approximately 30% less memory and 50% less CPU than Iceweasel was using (and btw, that was one of the main reasons I didn't like using it, even though, paradoxically it is supposed to be more "lightweight").


1) Newer versions of both tend to use less memory/cpu.
2) What plugins/extentions you have loaded has a huge impact on this.
There's some other items that can impact all this as well. In any case if you're going to compare iceweasel with firefox you need to compare the same version using the same profile.
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby craigevil » 2010-06-02 12:34

trotskyicepick wrote:One thing I have already noticed is that Firefox is using approximately 30% less memory and 50% less CPU than Iceweasel was using (and btw, that was one of the main reasons I didn't like using it, even though, paradoxically it is supposed to be more "lightweight").


That right there is why I have been using Firefox and not iceweasel for a while now. And the same reason h2 made that howto on techforums.

I have shown the difference multiple times , trust me no one believes that there are any differences.

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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby cynwulf » 2010-06-02 12:38

The issue is the older version of Iceweasel in the Lenny repos - it's version 3.0.6. 3.5.9 is in the Squeeze repos, that's ok, but I currently use 3.6.4 from experimental which is much nicer.

It's the same as firefox.
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby refracta » 2010-06-02 13:13

so if I rename gnome to elf maybe it will use twice as much memory....or half as much....and use more/less cpu resources....
WOW....I am going to rename all my software right now...
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Re: Debian Lenny and Firefox

Postby bugsbunny » 2010-06-02 13:59

OK, I'm running iceweasel 3.6.4 on this box. I just downloaded firefox 3.6.4 in order to compare them (32 bit system so I can easily do that. If you're running a 64 bit system there is no native firefox download).

fired up one then the other. Guess what? The iceweasel version uses about 3MB less memory at initial startup (5 tabs, a bunch of extensions)
firefox ~= 89MB
iceweasel ~= 86MB

so much for 30% less memory. cpu usage is harder to judge since it depends on what your doing, but at the moment iceweasel is using about 1%. I've seen it use lots of cpu at times, most of the time it just chugs along using minimal cpu (0% to 5% maybe 10%, as I said it jumps around a lot, mostly because of my google home page (customized version))
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