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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby dasein » 2013-03-01 20:55

dilberts_left_nut wrote:...for huge runs of obvious spam, reporting every one just slows down the removal process a bit.

Point very well taken, and one I didn't fully appreciate until I was conscripted into the Purple Horde. The flip-side, of course, is that users who are trying to help by reporting spam don't know whether a given post (or posts) has already been reported--at least not without trying to report it. :evil:

My personal best suggestion is this: when in doubt, report. Multiple reports do slow things down a bit, but IMO too many is better than none at all.
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby vbrummond » 2013-03-01 21:00

Ok, so I will prioritize posts hidden in legitimate threads. The standalone ones are probably more obvious. :)
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby golinux » 2013-03-01 21:25

If I found a spammer, I'd go to their profile to locate all their posts. I wouldn't be trawling various fora to see where they are.
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby Randicus » 2013-03-01 21:49

dasein wrote:Point very well taken, and one I didn't fully appreciate until I was conscripted into the Purple Horde.

You were forcibly inducted? I assumed you had enlisted. What a tyrannical board. :lol:
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby ComputerBob » 2013-03-01 23:15

dasein wrote:...Only the Green Overlords can nuke an entire account+all posts in a single blow...

It's a huge mistake to not give the spam hunters the tools that they need to do their job -- unless "the Green Overlords" are coming here every few hours and nuking the spammers themselves.

If they did that, we probably wouldn't even need spam hunters.
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby traveler » 2013-03-01 23:22

Maybe we should just be happy a certain red overlord is permanently AWOL...
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby dasein » 2013-03-01 23:41

ComputerBob wrote:It's a huge mistake to not give the spam hunters the tools that they need to do their job...

Except that the Green Overlords don't have the ability to share their power. That's right, you guessed it, only the absentee Red Uber-Poobahs can do that.

ComputerBob wrote:...unless "the Green Overlords" are coming here every few hours and nuking the spammers themselves.

Some of them do exactly that, and have worked invisibly to remove literally tens of thousands of spammer accounts in the last month or so. And they continue to do so virtually every day.

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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby confuseling » 2013-03-02 01:01

dasein wrote:
dilberts_left_nut wrote:...for huge runs of obvious spam, reporting every one just slows down the removal process a bit.

Point very well taken, and one I didn't fully appreciate until I was conscripted into the Purple Horde. The flip-side, of course, is that users who are trying to help by reporting spam don't know whether a given post (or posts) has already been reported--at least not without trying to report it. :evil:

My personal best suggestion is this: when in doubt, report. Multiple reports do slow things down a bit, but IMO too many is better than none at all.


Simple solution: spam reporters find the earliest extant post by a serial spammer, and try to report it. If it's reported already, stop.

(a coordination game in game theory lingo, much like driving: doesn't matter if you drive on the left or on the right, but you want everyone around you to agree on one or the other :-) Difference of course being that the latest post can always suddenly get later, while the earliest won't change until someone starts clearing up)
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby sakamoto » 2013-03-07 11:51

why not implement something that new members will be obliged to post their first 10 posts in the offtopic forum? that way the spammers (i dont think we are always dealing with bots) will be blocked from all other forums ? or why not manually activating new forum members? only disadvantage will be a delay for new registered members but you can clearly indicate this upfront - no one will go mental from waiting max 1 week :wink:
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby cynwulf » 2013-03-07 12:42

sakamoto wrote:why not implement something that new members will be obliged to post their first 10 posts in the offtopic forum?

This is a technical forum, people do not come here for offtopic. Having to post 10 times in offtopic when all you want to do is ask/answer a question is absurd.
sakamoto wrote:or why not manually activating new forum members? only disadvantage will be a delay for new registered members but you can clearly indicate this upfront - no one will go mental from waiting max 1 week :wink:

The problem with that approach is that someone has to sift through the accounts waiting activation and sift the spammers from the real members - this will inevitably mean that some will get missed and the delay while waiting for activation will negatively impact new registrations - the short version: may as well close down.
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby sakamoto » 2013-03-07 13:37

cynwulf wrote:
sakamoto wrote:why not implement something that new members will be obliged to post their first 10 posts in the offtopic forum?

This is a technical forum, people do not come here for offtopic. Having to post 10 times in offtopic when all you want to do is ask/answer a question is absurd.


agreed

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sakamoto wrote:or why not manually activating new forum members? only disadvantage will be a delay for new registered members but you can clearly indicate this upfront - no one will go mental from waiting max 1 week :wink:

The problem with that approach is that someone has to sift through the accounts waiting activation and sift the spammers from the real members - this will inevitably mean that some will get missed and the delay while waiting for activation will negatively impact new registrations - the short version: may as well close down.


first of all, you can inform them of the delay it will take approximately. secondly, if valid new members are skipped they should be able to contact on irc maybe (hell - urgent issues can also be tackled there if required)? i think this is really the best solution - it's really getting out of control at the moment. i would honestly look further in such solution.
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby cynwulf » 2013-03-07 16:20

sakamoto wrote:first of all, you can inform them of the delay it will take approximately. secondly, if valid new members are skipped they should be able to contact on irc maybe (hell - urgent issues can also be tackled there if required)? i think this is really the best solution - it's really getting out of control at the moment. i would honestly look further in such solution.

Yes you can inform them of the delay on registration, but a lot of people will just get pissed off and go to a forum where they don't have to go through that kind of bollocks (all because some admins can find no better way to fight spam...)

One very viable solution to this site's spam problems was posted nearly two years ago and it was simply ignored by the administration: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=67979&p=391993#p391993
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby dasein » 2013-03-07 16:32

At the risk of sounding like a broken record...

The purples have no power to implement changes to the server. Neither do the greens, to my best understanding. So otherwise seemingly sensible solutions cannot be implemented.

It's stupid, but that's the way it is.
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby cynwulf » 2013-03-07 16:49

dasein wrote:At the risk of sounding like a broken record...

Never! my dear man, never...! :D
dasein wrote:It's stupid, but that's the way it is.

Yes, it's all futile, I'm just here pointing out the sheer futility of it all to those who do not yet understand the sheer futility of it, which is in itself rather futile...
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Re: Quite a spamfest today

Postby Randicus » 2013-03-07 16:56

sakamoto wrote:only disadvantage will be a delay for new registered members but you can clearly indicate this upfront - no one will go mental from waiting max 1 week :wink:

That would be fine for you and I, but what about the person who has a problem and cannot find existing threads with a solution, either because he or she does not yet know how to do an effective search, or because the question and/or answer has not yet been posted? "Come back in a week and ask your question."?

i think this is really the best solution

It is the worst solution. The best solution, referenced by cynwulf, is preventing spammers from starting accounts.
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