Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby Absent Minded » 2014-03-28 06:13

xetaprime wrote:
Absent Minded wrote:So, these days you have a newer libc6 from ubuntu installed on your system...


The Libc6 upgrade is from Debian Jessie. If you use Debian Testing there's no need to upgrade libc6. And again FWIW my deb stable e18 is working just fine. Sorry to disappoint everyone :shock:


If we were talking instead of typing one might say you have selective hearing. What happend to addressing the main point of what I was saying. Even if you did get libc6 from Jessie, you can not install other programs/packages from stable that require the older libc6, your point is a bit moot.

Edit: If you were going to run testing then one wouldn't need your tutorial on how to install e18 on stable...
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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby xetaprime » 2014-03-31 10:11

I didn't feel what you were saying needed addressing. I have all the programs I need installed and have not experienced version conflict. Does that mean it won't happen? No. Say the worst happens, I'll install my remastered Debian Testing e18 that's all configured.

The tutorial which was only meant to share e18, was not meant as stable only how to. Did you read it before it was removed? As far as I know, unless things have changed, e17 is available through Jessie, not e18. I'll check in a minute though. Who knows maybe last week it's been upgraded.
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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby xetaprime » 2014-03-31 11:21

Hey look at that! 18 minutes and my remastersys Deb Test e18 is back in! Who knew? :twisted:

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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby confuseling » 2014-03-31 11:28

You've been told repeatedly that you're doing it the wrong way, by some of the most knowledgeable members of the forum.

What is difficult for you to grasp here?

This is the equivalent of walking into a mechanics' forum and saying "You don't need to waste money buying all those car parts, just use gaffer tape". Nobody cares if it works for you so far, it's bad practise and extremely fragile.

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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby dasein » 2014-03-31 14:48

xetaprime wrote:Hey look at that! 18 minutes and my remastersys Deb Test e18 is back in! Who knew? :twisted:

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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby xetaprime » 2014-03-31 19:11

confuseling wrote:You've been told repeatedly that you're doing it the wrong way, by some of the most knowledgeable members of the forum.

What is difficult for you to grasp here?

This is the equivalent of walking into a mechanics' forum and saying "You don't need to waste money buying all those car parts, just use gaffer tape". Nobody cares if it works for you so far, it's bad practise and extremely fragile.

Start a blog.


Please! I tried to post another thread about using the live cd to check things out. How in Atheists name is that dangerous to anything! Yet, it was removed. Why? We shall not speak the name Ubuntu. Here's what I grasp, when it works it works. What I have mostly been responding to 'lately' are inaccuracies. I never said use Libc6 from the Ubuntu branch so I said so.

It may be bad practice and fragile for you and others, hell even myself but that doesn't change the fact my system is working. I know, it's all about control and scare tactics. If I want to mess with my system I can, that's part of what makes Linux great. If I share something that's working for me and post be cautious people should have the choice to explore. But no, I get it. Not here. Fine.

Linux isn't like windows. You can yes, I've said it before remaster your system which allows for more daring-do. Or, just play with the live dvd and see what you can do before installing. Anyone who plays to play may risk their system but in less than 20 minutes your system can be back just as it was- or keep to the live dvd. Regardless I don't buy into all your fear mongering.

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P.S. Did you know you can boot a usb? It is 2014. Seriously? Okay run a usb and again, no risk to your system. Where is the harm?
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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby confuseling » 2014-03-31 19:35

xetaprime wrote:Please! I tried to post another thread about using the live cd to check things out. How in Atheists name is that dangerous to anything!


You've mixed together Stable and libc6 from Testing, which aren't binary compatible. You've then added Ubuntu, which isn't binary compatible.

It's worked so far for you, for the things you've tried in the software you've tried installing. You haven't tried everything, and Testing changes, so that may change.

Other software you haven't tried... who knows? It isn't binary compatible, so its behaviour isn't defined. It'll probably just crash, but it could theoretically do just about anything.

It's a bad idea.

xetaprime wrote:Yet, it was removed. Why? We shall not speak the name Ubuntu.


There are plenty of how-tos and other bits of advice dotted around the forum suggesting the use of Ubuntu repositories. In certain circumstances (e.g. something written in an interpreted language, or consisting of themes or other assets instead of programs) it's probably safe.

It isn't safe installing a DE...

xetaprime wrote:Here's what I grasp, when it works it works. What I have mostly been responding to 'lately' are inaccuracies. I never said use Libc6 from the Ubuntu branch so I said so.

It may be bad practice and fragile for you and others, hell even myself but that doesn't change the fact my system is working. I know, it's all about control and scare tactics. If I want to mess with my system I can, that's part of what makes Linux great. If I share something that's working for me and post be cautious people should have the choice to explore. But no, I get it. Not here. Fine.

Linux isn't like windows. You can yes, I've said it before remaster your system which allows for more daring-do. Or, just play with the live dvd and see what you can do before installing. Anyone who plays to play may risk their system but in less than 20 minutes your system can be back just as it was- or keep to the live dvd. Regardless I don't buy into all your fear mongering.

Failure brings knowledge if you bother to learn.

P.S. Did you know you can boot a usb? It is 2014. Seriously? Okay run a usb and again, no risk to your system. Where is the harm?


The harm is that the behaviour of the system is undefined. Libc6 is very much at the core of the system, and Testing is ever changing. Ubuntu binaries are notorious for breaking Debian. There are certain things you can install from Ubuntu (or mix from Testing to Stable), but it has to be done carefully.

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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby llivv » 2014-03-31 21:41

it probably got deleted for the same reason this thread will be deleted.
The only difference I see is that this thread is in the forums complaints section.

Be the first to have your thread removed from here too.
At least it will be the first one that I'm aware of.
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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby dasein » 2014-03-31 21:46

If I had a Green Hammer, I'd certainly lock this thread.

Whatever actual utility it may have once had, it's long since devolved into mere whining (from the OP because his brilliance is soooooo unappreciated :roll:, and from the rest of us because we're not smart enough to stop feeding this troll).
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Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

Postby 4D696B65 » 2014-03-31 22:02

The question of why did my other thread get deleted has been answered. Bad advice that can harm a system has no place here.
This thread has run its course and will now be locked.
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