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Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 17:19
by xetaprime
Am I wrong or was my how to removed. Why? I wrote a pretty nice how to, with a disclaimer. If I hadn't put the disclaimer people would have told me to. Because I mixed distros? No notice that it would be removed? Yeah, there were two posts slightly slamming me and I was polite and even wrote peace.

Of course maybe I booted into a different reality where people can't tinker and share the joy. I mean you let people install unstable.

Peace again, Xeta

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 17:44
by dasein
Read the fscking Wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware

(Moved from HOWTOs to Forum Stuff)

Peace.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 18:07
by xetaprime
Hmm what is the Fscking Wiki? Did look at the Debian Wiki. Didn't see anything there that said I couldn't post my how to. Also I didn't mention using any illegal software. I could see a glitch of incompatibility, but I'm not seeing any problem here. And as I wrote after Enlightenment was in I commented out the repos. So what is so wrong? Okay I'll google fscking wiki :wink: And if you meant the F*cking wiki, that's just, not nice and I can think of other things to say. I've been a Linux user since 1998 but that doesn't stop me from exploring- seeing what works and what doesn't.

Xeta

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 18:13
by dasein
You actually have to read the Wiki page I pointed you to. Whining is not enough.

Peace.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 18:20
by llivv
The problem is you don't see a problem.

And you think you're running Debian and Debian stable.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=109497&p=520802#p520802

If you want to post a howto use ubuntu there is a ubuntu forum for that.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 18:26
by confuseling
Pretty much *anything it's possible to install* depends in some way on libc6.

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libc6

'Upgrade' Debian's libc6 to Ubuntu's, which is not binary compatible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_code_compatibility

and things will go wrong.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 18:36
by xetaprime
But I didn't upgrade my libc6 from Ubuntu repos. It was from Jessie. Elightenment was Ubuntu or for Ubuntu and it's working great going on 2 days. This also worked on Debian testing without having to upgrade Libc6. So all I installed was E18. But I just wanted the stable instead.

Have a great day everyone. I think you all need to chill. You'd think I was running as root or something :wink:

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 18:44
by confuseling
My mistake. That makes it fractionally better.

But you're still suggesting a Frankenstein's Distro of Wheezy, Jessie and Ubuntu. It's not going to be pretty...

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 18:51
by dasein
llivv wrote:The problem is you don't see a problem.

This.

@OP -> Don't let this experience discourage you from posting all the bad advice you like. Just start your own blog.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-12 22:43
by xetaprime
dasein, dasein, dasein LOL! Just start your own blog! Thanx man, I needed that laugh.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-13 04:32
by stevepusser
xetaprime, are you available and willing to help anybody that has followed your guide and ended up with problems with their system? Can you remove and reinstall libc6-dev?

Did you see this in the wiki:

Backporting (recompiling and repackaging) is the only safe way to install packages from Debian Sid or Debian Testing on a Debian stable system. Do not install such packages without backporting. Attempting to "mix" releases, especially by updating your sources.list file, is a sure way to break your system. Recovery in these cases usually involves restore from backup.


I do a lot of packaging for a non-Debian, but Wheezy-compatible community repository, and I sometimes recommend that people try my Wine packages, for example. But I build them against Debian libraries using the Debian tool chain, installed from the Debian repositories, so I know that they are compatible.

If you really want to help with Enlightenment 18, I can help you make packages that are Wheezy-compatible, and you can add them to our repository or just host them someplace. That's the right way to do it.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-13 06:52
by Absent Minded
xetaprime wrote: I mean you let people install unstable.

Peace again, Xeta


Stable, testing, unstable, extream edge, yep, but we dont mix them with eachother here either. How many hands are you going to stick around to hold and walk them back threw repairing the damage they are going to have on the next system wide update? Did you completely discuss topics like pinning or the 3 or 4 other measures needed to keep that system from braking on the first update? Guess where those poor folks are going to turn when they need theis system overhauled because of this? Yep, you got it, here as that is where they found the how-to. Yes, it is going to break, how soon, depends on a varity of things but it will brake and I am going to lay odds that it wont be you here helping them get it sorted. That leaves the rest of us picking up your mess. Not interested. Note Debian's own statement so kindly provided by another caring soul earlier in this thread. If you break your own system, hey, you get to keep all the pieces. If you break someone elses, not cool! I have seen it countless times here, that setup does break things, eventually.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-13 12:09
by edbarx
For the purpose of loading quickly, it appears, that Linux executables don't use imported function names to link with libraries. I came to the impression that Linux executables expect to find imported functions at the address where they reside inside the function library. This may be the reason why different versions of the same library are not interchangeable. However, I may be wrong as I practice programming only as a past time.

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-13 14:53
by dasein
Absent Minded wrote:Note Debian's own statement so kindly provided by another caring soul earlier in this thread.

Purely pedantic point: two souls; I pointed him to it... twice. I guess I just figured that someone of his vast experience and expertise didn't need to have it cut-and-paste for him. (Clearly I was mistaken.)
(Edit: fixed broken [quote] tag)

Re: Enlightenment 18 on Debian Stable Deleted Why?

PostPosted: 2014-03-13 18:22
by Absent Minded
dasein wrote:
Absent Minded wrote:Note Debian's own statement so kindly provided by another caring soul earlier in this thread.
Purely pedantic point: two souls; I pointed him to it... twice. I guess I just figured that someone of his vast experience and expertise didn't need to have it cut-and-paste for him. (Clearly I was mistaken.)


It was not my intent to discount your contrabution to this thread.