I am going to start with, a apology, I should have not started calling any one names, I did not intend to call any specific person a name,and I didn't point that at any particular person, any way I will still apologize, I should have taken more time, to think about how to word what I said, but also,
millpond wrote:Apparently the topic nazis have struck.
Too bad Devuan does not have an active forum.
Any other ideas?
This is hardly about systemd at all - it is discussing ideas on how we want the platform to proceed and be useful to those of us who consider themselves to be power users.
And how to get around certain 'features' we find to be encumbrances.
The fact that some twits find this objectionable is abominable.
This kind of comments kind of get me pretty angry, which is one reason I generally try to stay out of these kind of threads, and it is frustrating because some people just can not be reasoned with. Endless arguments , with a person or persons, that simply argue for the sake of arguing is point less, and I can not come close to understanding why some people enjoy that. But any way, I apologize, I shouldn't have said things the way I did, now I am going to try again, to explain.
Postby spacex » We don't. But when the active threads on Systemd or Devuan gets closed, people will start to divert other topics and sections with it also. Continuing the same debate or quarrels in other threads. That's just the nature of things.----
No they won't because this forum is moderated, and people that start doing that will get banned, and the posts will get removed. I am not the one that would be doing that,
because I am not a moderator, nor administrator, but I am confident that is what will happen, honestly, if you want a un-moderated forum, there are a few, and I am sure you would be welcome, this forum is moderated, and right or wrong, the moderators have the final say, and can and will close threads, remove posts, etc. as they see fit, One reason I choose this forum , is because it is well moderated, and does not have the "high noise, low signal" that most un-moderated forums have.
There seem to really , only be a very few users that have a problem with the way the forum is managed. Most of the users, come here to ask technical questions, about problems they are having with their Debian system, some use even as old as squeeze, others, Wheezy, and the most seem to be using Jessie. Their is a great bunch of members, users, that spend all most all of their time trying to help the ones that are having trouble with their system, from beginners , to advanced users,...this is what most of the users/members use the forum for, it functions well, because it is well moderated , and administered. No I am not trying to "kiss ass", I know, that is what the
people that like to argue will say, but that is not the case.
myself>I agree, on that, after all,How the "members" of the forum feel , is important, and it is a forum stuff , feed back issue.
I accepted the invitation to help with the spam, after there had been a heavy wave of spam, and when it started, no one was around to stop it,..so any way, my interest, or "job" is simply to try to help keep the spam out, but as a user/member, I also hope to see the forum stay the way it was when I first joined, a place where I can either ask questions, about Debian, and also, help others, find the answers or solutions to their problems, I like the off topic forum as well, it gives us a place where we can ask about other OS's, and discuss things not necessarily just Debian,.. their are still some guidelines, even for the "off topic", and it is moderated, I am glad it is, it does take some extra work on the part of the moderators, and administration, most, of the users/members, I think, probably feel the same, but just like me, I think most really rather not get involved in a thread like this one, that is not what they come here for, there have been no complaints, from most of the members, unfortunately, it is impossible to "please" every body, ...sometimes I am just foolish enough to try, but it is impossible. This thread has been here now for a few days, so far it is only the same 2 or 3 , users, with complaints.
There are a couple of others, that don't like the way thread was closed, ok, well maybe that could have been done in a more graceful manner, perhaps with no explanation at all ?,..or just " this thread is closed,because it is to much trouble" But any way, it is closed, and that is over,.. there still are a few threads in the "off topic" forum, the same arguments , and nonsense continue ( well it is nonsense , in my opinion,) but obviously the users that take part in those threads, don't feel it is nonsense. You should be thankful , those threads still continue,..and ,then finally, this is what made me decide to post,..
Postby somebodyelse » 2015-08-21 22:19:
----snip---(the usual systemd rant)----
Just some examples of what I personally see as valid systemd topics:
- keeping systemd out of the kernel (a Linux topic but not a Debian topic);
- building Devuan (a Debian derivative topic);
- making systemd work better in Debian (a Debian topic);
- increasing systemd skills/awareness among Debian users (a Debian topic)
Nobody, has said " No new topics can be made in the off topic forum", nor even
"No systemd related topics can be started", obviously , especially since Jessie usually uses systemd, No one has said,that any of those topics can not be started,..No one is going to promise one or another, won't get removed, or closed, that would be foolish on the part of administration, to promise they won't close or remove a topic. Some common sense, and looking at, and following the guidelines.
This topic/thread really has reached a point, where there is not really any reason to continue, the same 2 or 3 person, have expressed their selves,
Is the Offtopic subforum where offtopic threads get locked
No, it is not where all offtopic threads get locked , but yes, just like any other part of the forum, if and when a moderator or administrator decides that a thread/topic needs to be "locked", it will be. The forum is not going to stop being moderated simple because 2 or 3 users do not like a moderated forum. Following a few simple, very clear guidelines will help prevent any topic that gets started, from getting removed, or locked.
Following the guidelines, will prevent the topics that users start, from getting locked , or removed. How hard is that to understand ? But that is not a promise, that topics that become problems, or do not stay within those guidelines, won't get closed.
End of topic, ( I hope), I can not close a topic, but I think this one has reached the point where it should be.
If and when other users/members want to start a new one, they can, but I really don't see the point in keeping this one going, just to make 2 or 3 persons, that delight in endless , pointless arguments happy.