closed thread
Posted: 2016-04-29 19:36
Can someone enlighten me why this thread was closed
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118319
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118319
Here's a guess . . . mods are allergic to a mention of Devuan (which is now in beta without systemd)lukas wrote:Can someone enlighten me why this thread was closed
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118319
I guess you assume that alternative operating systems have got nothing to do with Linux/Computers/Software"Stay on topic. Sometimes threads morph into something completely off topic, this is unavoidable when a bunch of people communicate. However, try to limit the off topic discussions to the off topic category. Long off topic discussions in other categories might get moved or locked.
Discussions in "Off topic" should still be in the spirit of this board, that is related to Linux/ Computers/ Software etc. Political, religious or racial discussions do not belong on this board."
No, we need good moderators, and this forum would be a mess if there were not any.What do you think Moderators are here for? Should we all just pack up and go away and let you get on with it?
To decide if and when topics should be locked, removed or what ever, as well as otherWhat does EVERYONE think Moderators are here for?
And it is not right that when a moderator makes a decision, for a small group to start trying to bully them .The topic had become terribly one sided, biased and had outlived its usefulness. Even though it is "Offtopic". The last post in the topic pointed out that there is a comprehensive list on the Devuan website. Job done. Go there for information.
^ This.GarryRicketson wrote: It had reached a point where they were just "re-listing" the same ones that had all ready been mentioned earlier when the topic got started.
This does not have any grounds, if it was because the moderators have a problem with any posts mentioning Devuan, why did they not just remove all the posts that mentiongolinux wrote:Here's a guess . . . mods are allergic to a mention of Devuan (which is now in beta without systemd)lukas wrote:Can someone enlighten me why this thread was closed
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118319
Indeed, if anything this should help promote the website and get more people to go there, and post there, instead of here. Isn't that what you want ?
Re: operating systems without systemd
Postby edbarx » 2016-04-28 23:58
I have just discovered Devuan's website neatly presents a list of OSs without systemd. Click here to view and scroll down to view the heading GNU/Linux Distributions without systemd.
A longer list of distros using systemd does not prove anything except that when the herd starts jumping over the cliff many will follow.arochester wrote:Does anyone want to write a topic listing distros that DO use systemd? It will be considerably longer than the list of distros that DO NOT use systemd - and of course it will include Debian.
Always great to run into someone who's willing to discuss issues.arochester wrote:
I locked the post and I will not unlock it.
Administrator's on this forum are so involved, they'll probably hop right to it and address any concerns. Odd that this almost no moderation forum suddenly gets 'moderated'.If you believe that I have been unfair please contact an Administrator and make a case to have me removed as a Moderator.
It's a thread about non systemd distributions - one sided? How about focused on the topic of non-systemd. Take a look at the edbarx Devuan link, it only touches on a few distributions. I actually just added a new distribution to the systemd free thread a couple weeks ago, so it's not dead yet and another member just queried rebuilding the list for readability.The topic had become terribly one sided, biased and had outlived its usefulness. Even though it is "Offtopic". The last post in the topic pointed out that there is a comprehensive list on the Devuan website. Job done. Go there for information.
Go ahead...Does anyone want to write a topic listing distros that DO use systemd? It will be considerably longer than the list of distros that DO NOT use systemd - and of course it will include Debian.
Whatever, gosh darn it this rhetoric really enforces your logic - great job buddy. Actually, there's already an active thread regarding this, please lock it down immediately.Does anyone want to write a topic, in "Offtopic", explaining fully how Ubuntu is wonderful and we should all use it?
Welcome to the future where free speech will be lost and heaven forbid anybody express an actual opinion. To be a consistent moderator, please ensure all threads now discuss all of the positive, negative and 'interesting' aspects of the topic. For example, running stable is preferred for new users, then be sure to add but it may limit access to newer software and even if there isn't anything 'interesting' about the topic just make something up. Please ensure all threads are now comprehensive in this regard.Eric de Bono in his Thinking Tools has an exercise called PMI. People have to complete three columns and write down everything that is P-Positive, M-Minus and I-Interesting (neither positive nor negative). The anti-systemd lobby seem intent on telling us everything that they think is wrong with systemd and nothing that is right.
All members please ensure your signatures express both positives and negatives, don't forget to add something 'interesting'.(Spot the signature that says "Running systemd free on Dragora GNU/linux-libre..." Pro or anti? )
Would be nice to have a forum where people can express opinions. Me thinks just happened somebody said something you didn't want to hear. See earlier reference regarding selective moderation."something that is expected of this forum". Unfettered ability to say whatever you want? Is that what EVERYBODY wants? Even the spammers?
Well that's how it used to be, guess it's now a 'moderated forum'. Please then go ahead and moderate. The current active topics list displays 50 active threads. Of these, three are marked solved and several others should also be marked solved. Please close these, they're done. Also close the screenshots thread, >300 pages of non-Debian systems, gross. Second thought delete the entire thread, don't leave evidence. Please close all threads started by uninformed or lazy newcomers once they've been informed to read the manual. For consistency, also close all other 'off-topic' threads. Current threads this might include:What do you think Moderators are here for? Should we all just pack up and go away and let you get on with it?
Moderators serve a purpose, selective moderation based on personal preference is silly and an abuse of *power* (used loosely). If you want to moderate, the 'to do' list above awaits. Thanks.What does EVERYONE think Moderators are here for?
by mardybear »
Would be nice to have a forum where people can express opinions.
And this response:by arochester »What do you think Moderators are here for? Should we all just pack up and go away and let you get on with it?
It has been moderated for a long time, now, if not all ways, from what I can seeby mardybear » Well that's how it used to be, guess it's now a 'moderated forum'. Please then go ahead and moderate.
Give me a break, the old "free speech" is being threatened argument just does not cut it. You are free to start any kind of forum or website you want, and say what you want on it. Like wise other forums and websites have every right to decide what is permitted and what isn't.by mardybear »Welcome to the future where free speech will be lost and heaven forbid anybody express an actual opinion.
Have you ever actually tried to contact one, in the correct manner ?by mardybear »Administrator's on this forum are so involved, they'll probably hop right to it and address any concerns. Odd that this almost no moderation forum suddenly gets 'moderated'.
I do agree, there perhaps should be a major "house cleaning", and a stricter approach taken , but are you sure you would really want to see all of the "off-topic" threads closed ? I don't think most members would want that, including me.Please close all threads started by uninformed or lazy newcomers once they've been informed to read the manual. For consistency, also close all other 'off-topic' threads. Current threads this might include:
I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm, Garry.GarryRicketson wrote: Funny how first you say this should be a "free speech" opinion forum, then you turn around and say all of these other topics/threads should be closed ???
I don't really know on that, I imagine it will continue for a while, and eitherIs this thread gonna get locked, too?
Well actually they do, or we do, and that is part of the reason there is a "board" for discussing forum issues.Not that anyone cares what I think.
Well , lukas did ask a legit question, and arrochester gave a good explanation as to why , and overall I think arrochester does a very good job as a moderator, but after all said and done, the administrators have the final say. From what I have seen, and experienced here is they are all very reasonable.Seems to me that lukas has a legitimate gripe.
Re: DEVUAN is alive! Hurrah!
Unread postby arochester » 2015-08-19 08:43
Yeah, yeah we get the message. Devuan is alive. Hurrah???
Thread locked.
Thousands of people who are using systemd now and have no gripes about it, and thousands of developers who support it are all wrong and anti-democratic. Duh!
luddite
1. One who fears technology (or new technology, as they seem pleased with how things currently are...why can't everything just be the same?)
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