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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby golinux » 2019-01-27 22:22

And I missed all the fun. It must have been quite entertaining for it be removed rather than locked. Too bad I will never get to see it . . .

FWIW, I have always appreciated llivv's unfiltered responses on this forum.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby bw123 » 2019-01-27 22:30

I thought it was a good thread, but glad the capitalist running dog lackeys removed it. I hope you accept their apology and continue fighting against the resistance to the establishment. In all sincerity, please don't jump any hamsters, and be kind to the carefree warm and cold-blooded animals, when appropriate.

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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby Segfault » 2019-01-28 00:32

Come over to Gentoo forums. Nothing is ever deleted in Gentoo forums. Moved, yes. Locked, it happens. And Gentoo Off the Wall subforum allows you post anything - free speech is honored there.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby GarryRicketson » 2019-01-28 01:25

golinux wrote:And I missed all the fun. It must have been quite entertaining for it be removed rather than locked. Too bad I will never get to see it . . .

FWIW, I have always appreciated llivv's unfiltered responses on this forum.

Your post was the first reply to the original post , you didn't really miss anything, just a bunch of nonsense.
The first post was reported,
Here is a copy of the report:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=10653
part of 7. : Political, religious or racial discussions do not belong on this board.
12, Summary :
The following might get your post REMOVED
- Advertising/ Spamming
- Obviously racist/ sexist/ hateful content
********- Obviously political/ religious content*******
- Obvious pornographic content
==
Of course the free speech,anti censorship radicals will argue that it is a violation of their rights to toss garbage any where they please, but I think this should be moved off the board, sad that people waste the moderators and admins time this way, but any way, a PM explaining why it was removed , no threat to remove it, just plain "Your post was removed because, --- see forum guidelines.

It does not matter who reported it, but the report referred to the political direction the thread was headed, because the first post referred to the US president and politics, and the forum guidelines are clear about that, so even though others would like to take the glory/blame of it being removed, I suppose the additional nonsense, and the fact that it turned into flaming and trolling, also against the forum guidelines, which say very clearly:
Forum guidelines. Please read before first post!
12. Summary
The following might get your post EDITED:
- Profanities
- Links to inappropriate websites

The following might get your post/ thread LOCKED
- Flaming/ personal attacks
- Obvious trolling
- Thread has wandered way off topic
- Cross posting

The following might get your post REMOVED
- Advertising/ Spamming
- Obviously racist/ sexist/ hateful content
- Obviously political/ religious content
- Obvious pornographic content


Personally, I think this forum would be a better place, if these trolls, and others that like to dump garbage every where all went to some other forum, we have enough trouble with the spam, and really don't need more garbage here, it is supposed to be a technical forum where people that use Debian can come for help. NOT a "freespeech" dumping ground for all the trolls,spammers and nutcases, that seem to think it is their right to dump what ever nonsense they want , any where they want.
I know I will get flamed and attacked on for saying this, it is funny how the so called "free speech" promoters get up set and try to stop others from saying what they think, when it goes against their beliefs. The so called "censor ship", is necessary, because to many morons do not have enough sense to see when the nonsense they write is out of place and does not belong on a technical forum.
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@llivv , Thanks for making a apology, at least you are willing and able to do that, unlike some others, seems like they enjoy jumping into any thread that is likely to get locked or removed, and add to the mess, then when it gets removed or locked, they start their "free speech" rants, and inviting people to come to some other forum, where "free speech" is supposedly permitted, and that is fine , if people are looking for a "free spech", off topic forum where they can dump what ever and it won't get removed , great, go there,.. this forum is not intended for that , so any way, I also will apologize as well, if any one is offended by what I say, but that is how I feel about it, : this forum is not the right place to be posting just any old nonsense,spam,rants, religion, politics, etc,...so we sometimes do remove posts and topics from the board, and rather then filling the board up with 100 page long pointless arguments,and other junk, sometimes the topics get locked, so no more can be added to them.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby Segfault » 2019-01-28 02:18

There is nothing wrong with policies and rules of this forum. Everyone can vote with legs if they don't like it. I personally am used to Gentoo forums where posts belong to members who posted them and I resented when my post here was tagged political and removed. But I understand, in these forums it is different, members who post obviously do not have any rights regarding their posts, after submitting they belong to the forum and people in charge have unlimited rights over any posts made.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-01-28 08:29

I would also like to apologise, both to the community in general and to llivv, pendrachken and oswaldkelso in particular for my behavior recently.

I will try to restrict my posts to the technical support threads in future, I'm clearly too much of an insufferable asshole to interact reasonably in discussion threads.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby GarryRicketson » 2019-02-13 14:38

I am not apologizing for this, but just for everyone's information, we have been getting way to much spam lately, we try to move it off the board as fast as possible. This morning I moved several posts to spam , one included this text, with a link :
This link is the same story listed under economics

Obviously spam, this forum is Debian User Forums, not some economic discussion forum,
A similar post was removed yesterday, with the same link in it, but it was a admin that moved it off the board, ... Forum members need to think twice before posting posts with back links, especially when those back links have nothing to do with Debian, or any technical problems, I want to advise any one that made a post, that included some links to random websites, if you see that the post was removed, please contact a mod or admin, and ask about why it was removed, BEFORE posting again, somewhere else, trying to promote the same, or similar link.
That is a common tactic used by spammers, to keep posting in various topics, I suppose in hopes that some the posts will get missed, or something.
Guess that is about it.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby golinux » 2019-02-13 15:26

Yes, I have seen some nasty spam lately on this board. I don't know how/why volunteers keep taking out the garbage day after day.

As I have said before . . . this board needs better spam deterrents. If no admin is around to do that what does that say about this board and Debian?
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby GarryRicketson » 2019-02-13 17:07

How ? It is pretty easy, just select "move"topic, or "split", when only specific posts need to be removed,
Why ?, well it would really pile up if we did not remove it, not just daily, but often every hour or even less.
Do you not take out the trash regularly in your home ? Or do you just let it pile up, waiting for someone to do it for you ?
It says a lot about Debian, and how it is volunteers that make it what it is, the same,if it was not for a few volunteers, including a admin and moderators, that put a lot of effort into trying to keep the board , for Debian Users, and for help and support with technical problems, in spite of the time wasting efforts of some trolls , that have nothing better to do then coming here and posting garbage, spam, "bash the forum", "bash the admins",
etc,... I really have better things to do myself, then try to explain, in a nut shell, if you don't like this forum, or Debian, then PLEASE, just leave us alone, we don't need more garbage being dumped.
I do agree, there probably are some better methods of blocking the spambot registrations that could be used, maybe some day the server admin will try to do something about that,
in the meantime, we take care of it manually, voluntarily,..... with out any thanks, or anything.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby golinux » 2019-02-13 17:47

The spamhunters here are appreciated. But if the admins (with the keys to the kingdom) gave a hoot, effective spam controls would put you out of a job and you could have a life again.

The Devuan forum is so tight not one spammer has gotten through in 2 years. So that saved time can be spent actually contributing to the project instead of playing whack-a-mole.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby pylkko » 2019-02-13 18:48

The main purpose why computers exist is so that you can automate time consuming and repetitive manual tasks.

if you are looking for ideas on how to do this, look at how Jeff Atwood does this (post May 13) here:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-about ... lem/2724/8

I believe akismet is considered to be very effective against human spam (not bots only).
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-02-13 19:38

golinux wrote:I don't know how/why volunteers keep taking out the garbage day after day.

As Garry notes, it's not very difficult and I can't stand having that crap around so I am happy to help removing it.

golinux wrote:this board needs better spam deterrents. If no admin is around to do that what does that say about this board and Debian?

That the administrators have better things to do with their time, perhaps?

I agree that it would be nice to have some sort of captcha (I like the Arch forums' version very much and it seems to work well) but I'm just grateful for what we have and I think the moderators here strike pretty much the perfect balance between allowing free speech and closing nonsense threads that have nothing to do with Debian.

I don't think we can infer anything at all about the Debian distribution based on what happens here, it isn't part of the official debian.org domain.

golinux wrote:The Devuan forum is so tight not one spammer has gotten through in 2 years.

But they have you as an administrator so that is clearly an unfair advantage :)

golinux wrote:effective spam controls would put you out of a job and you could have a life again.

What do you mean "again"? I've never had a life...
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby GarryRicketson » 2019-02-13 20:25

It is not a job, or work really,
golinux wrote:
effective spam controls would put you out of a job and you could have a life again.

And I do have a life, I don't let it interfere with that, neither do my kids:
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I don't see how the things used for discourse, and how Jeff Atwood does it could be applied to a phpBB forum, but thanks for the promotion, errr oops, I mean ideas,...
There is a very good extension for phpBB, and it could be modified for our version of phpBB, but it requires full access to the server to install it, and the only one I know of that has the full access , apparently has other things to do that are more important, or just does not see it as a problem, don't really know on that.
FluxBB is much easier to work with then phpBB, but the same, only someone with full server access can do these things.
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Re: apology to those posting in the thread removed today

Postby golinux » 2019-02-13 21:19

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
golinux wrote:The Devuan forum is so tight not one spammer has gotten through in 2 years.

But they have you as an administrator so that is clearly an unfair advantage :)
Clever shot but I had nothing to do with creating the spam deterrents. That is hardly my wheelhouse.

golinux wrote:effective spam controls would put you out of a job and you could have a life again.

What do you mean "again"? I've never had a life...
I can believe that. ;)
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