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Re: Unsticky these?

#2 Post by debil »

Why?

The CLI/zip thread contains all kinds of CLI-related information (mostly to noobs) and it was (apparently) requested to be stickied by several, so... I'm neutral on this one.

BUT, The Firefox/Iceweasel question is asked frequently by Debian newcomers (who can't bother to STFW before asking). By stickying that thread the forums have a bit less clutter than otherwise.
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Re: Unsticky these?

#3 Post by Rolling Stone »

Well, to me they seem pretty useless, especially the CLI one.

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I tend to agree with you on the CLI one. The other one has the point though.
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#5 Post by Rolling Stone »

A concensus has been reached. :)

Unsticky the CLI thread, leave the Iceweasel one alone.

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#6 Post by debil »

As if it were up to us to decide :) But yes.
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#7 Post by edbarx »

Sorry to disappoint you, but I disagree.
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#8 Post by julian67 »

edbarx wrote:Sorry to disappoint you, but I disagree.
Your arguments are both irrefutable and dazzling in their brilliance. So that's settled then.
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julian67 wrote:
edbarx wrote:Sorry to disappoint you, but I disagree.
Your arguments are both irrefutable and dazzling in their brilliance. So that's settled then.
Oh Dear, Julian67 did not sleep well this night! :lol:
Life is too short my friend to waste it arguing. :wink: Consider it only a subjective statement.
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#10 Post by julian67 »

:shock: <checks door is locked>
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#11 Post by debil »

edbarx wrote:
julian67 wrote:
edbarx wrote:Sorry to disappoint you, but I disagree.
Your arguments are both irrefutable and dazzling in their brilliance. So that's settled then.
Oh Dear, Julian67 did not sleep well this night! :lol:
Life is too short my friend to waste it arguing. :wink: Consider it only a subjective statement.
You do remember that this is a discussion board, not a contradiction board after all, edbarx?
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#12 Post by julian67 »

debil wrote: You do remember that this is a discussion board, not a contradiction board
No it isn't.
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julian67 wrote:
debil wrote: You do remember that this is a discussion board, not a contradiction board
No it isn't.
Bugger, didn't see that coming at all :D
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debil wrote:You do remember that this is a discussion board, not a contradiction board after all, edbarx?
Just consider my post as an opinion. :wink:
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#15 Post by debil »

edbarx wrote:
debil wrote:You do remember that this is a discussion board, not a contradiction board after all, edbarx?
Just consider my post as an opinion. :wink:
Without any reasoning or rationale behind your opinion, I consider it all around worthless. But hey, that's just my opinion (with rationale behind it) ;) ;) ;)
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#16 Post by julian67 »

edbarx wrote:
debil wrote:You do remember that this is a discussion board, not a contradiction board after all, edbarx?
Just consider my post as an opinion. :wink:
Indeed it is. But opinion alone is only opinion. Contributing it is exactly as useful and constructive as any other mere opinion. You might as well say "I believe the world is flat" or "In my opinion Scooby Doo is a much better dog than Pluto". It adds nothing. If someone shares your opinion so what? If someone has a different opinion so what? It's all just opinion. If on the other hand you can offer some reasons then you can have a dialogue that isn't necessarily entirely futile.
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#17 Post by edbarx »

In my opinion the CLI is a very important feature of GNU/Linux. This is because, it offers many tools that can be used to repair the system simply by getting access to a command shell. However, many disagree, as they think, that graphical solutions are the norm, and that everyone should use them.

As I am used to coding, I can appreciate that the CLI has a great latent potential. In fact, many graphical tools use CLI programs behind the scenes to do their useful work.
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#18 Post by julian67 »

Yes, fascinating, but what about the quality, relevance and usefulness of the sticky?
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#19 Post by Telemachus »

edbarx wrote:In my opinion the CLI is a very important feature of GNU/Linux. This is because, it offers many tools that can be used to repair the system simply by getting access to a command shell. However, many disagree, as they think, that graphical solutions are the norm, and that everyone should use them.

As I am used to coding, I can appreciate that the CLI has a great latent potential. In fact, many graphical tools use CLI programs behind the scenes to do their useful work.
I suspect that many people would agree with all of this but still want to unsticky the ginormous CLI thread that Rolling Stone first mentioned.

The question isn't really "Is the CLI important and powerful?" but rather "How useful (or how outdated) is that thread?"

Edit: Damn you, Julian67. Beat me by that much.
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#20 Post by edbarx »

I had another quick look at the discussed thread. Although, its name gives the impression that it discusses CLI use, it is not generic enough to remain a sticky thread.

I was incorrectly assuming that it was a good introduction into the use of the CLI including reading and understanding the manpages.

So, you, Julian67, debil and Telemachus, convinced me. That thread is not as important as I imagined.

Thanks.
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