Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

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Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Yes. Debian only please.
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50-50. Please censor complaints about Ubuntu.
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No. Censorship in any form is unacceptable.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby Soul Singin' » 2010-04-14 02:00

julian67 wrote:As Ubuntu is derived from Debian it's reasonable for people to discuss it here. That's discuss it, not ask for support. Some people are both Ubuntu and Debian developers. There is organisational talk between Ubuntu and Debian, a recent example being synchronisation of freezes. Very occasionally code is developed for Ubuntu (or hosted Launchpad) which later gets adopted by Debian (examples being update-manager, dir2ogg). All this means that discussion of Ubuntu can be very relevant and is entirely appropriate for a Debian forum.

Those would be excellent discussion topics on Debian Forums and it's a shame that those topics are rarely discussed on this board.

julian67 wrote:There is no resolution center here; the comic, the inane and the kafkaesque can be found throughout the entire board.

Unfortunately, most Ubuntu-related discussions on this board tend towards "the comic, the inane and the kafkaesque."
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby llivv » 2010-04-14 08:32

Soul Singin' wrote:
julian67 wrote:As Ubuntu is derived from Debian it's reasonable for people to discuss it here. That's discuss it, not ask for support. Some people are both Ubuntu and Debian developers. There is organisational talk between Ubuntu and Debian, a recent example being synchronisation of freezes. Very occasionally code is developed for Ubuntu (or hosted Launchpad) which later gets adopted by Debian (examples being update-manager, dir2ogg). All this means that discussion of Ubuntu can be very relevant and is entirely appropriate for a Debian forum.

Those would be excellent discussion topics on Debian Forums and it's a shame that those topics are rarely discussed on this board.
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Soul Singin' wrote:
julian67 wrote:There is no resolution center here; the comic, the inane and the kafkaesque can be found throughout the entire board.

Unfortunately, most Ubuntu-related discussions on this board tend towards "the comic, the inane and the kafkaesque."
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby Zoot » 2010-04-20 22:27

I voted the last option as I don't feel outright censorship of any said topic is the way to go on any forum.

I see no problem whatsoever if an ex-Ubuntu user comes here and says they don't like Ubuntu because <insert reasons here> and that they now use Debian and rather Debian itself or the Debian way of doing things because <insert reasons here>. But if someone comes along and their post(s) is/are of the form ZOMG!! Ubuntu SUCKSS!!1!, Canonical are Teh EvilZ!!, some other type of drivel along those lines, then yes it possibly warrants action but not otherwise IMO.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby jheaton5 » 2010-05-03 14:46

Don't ban the Ubuntu discussions here. How else can we get good advice on fixing stuff? Surely you don't expect us to use the Ubuntu Forums! :)
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby refracta » 2010-05-03 16:07

jheaton5 wrote: How else can we get good advice on fixing stuff?

:lol: all twenty pages of 'good advice'
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby Issyer » 2010-05-09 04:21

Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?


I think, it should NOT. Because it is not nice. Debian users should be friendly and knowledgeable and willing to help other people not only with the Debian stuff but with other OSs as well and in general with the life wisdom, and not scare away newbies like a team of stray dogs. Because such a kind attitude will attract more people who will be grateful to the Debian community. More gratefulness means more donations. More donations means more development. More development means a better quality. A better quality means more happiness to the Debian users. One smart guy, whose name was Napoleon Hill, used to say in his book "Think and Grow Rich:
The watchword of the future will be HUMAN HAPPINESS AND CONTENTMENT, and when this state of mind shall have been attained, the production will take care of itself...

So, adorable Debian community, don't even dare to frighten Ubuntu users unless you want to kill this way your future, yourself and your favorite OS, which is Debian, I guess.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby craigevil » 2010-05-10 01:12

Simple Ubuntu help is this way >>
Ubuntu Forums - http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php
Official Ubuntu Documentation - https://help.ubuntu.com/

Mint help is this way >>>
Main Page - Linux Mint - http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Linux Mint Forums • Index page - http://forums.linuxmint.com/

If they need any more help than that there is always Google Search - http://www.google.com

I wish I could find the Ubuntu forum page where it stated they did not support any other distro, saw it the other day bounding around the net but didn't think to save it.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby smallchange » 2010-05-10 01:22

Issyer wrote:I think, it should NOT. Because it is not nice. Debian users should be friendly and knowledgeable and willing to help other people not only with the Debian stuff but with other OSs as well and in general with the life wisdom, and not scare away newbies like a team of stray dogs. Because such a kind attitude will attract more people who will be grateful to the Debian community. More gratefulness means more donations. More donations means more development. More development means a better quality.


What a crock. It assumes that all the crap that people spread about Debian users being elitists is true when it is not true. People who are scared of Debian users will contribute nothing to Debian. More development only means better quality if the developers know what quality is and how to produce it. Making Debian fit some idiots idea of user friendly will not improve the quality of Debian. Trying to satisfy every stupid complaint will only waste time. Debian is a good, solid, dependable quality system because Debian developers have developed quality working software and have not spent their time trying to appease every idiot in the world.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby AMLJ » 2010-06-08 08:37

I think nothing should be censored
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They should go to Offtopic section as they are not related to Debian. It'd be great if admins move these kinds of topics there.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby bushpilot » 2011-02-14 16:34

I go into Linux Mint, and Ubuntu forums and find that there is a great deal of pertinent solutions that can be applied to Debian. Openness works well for me. As an example, I the Linux Mint Debian forum I finally learned how to get both printer and wireless working in Debian 6.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby traveler » 2011-02-14 18:47

The last place on Earth I would ever want "help" with Debian is on the Ubuntu or Mint forums.*
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby bugsbunny » 2011-02-14 21:01

traveler wrote:The last place on Earth I would ever want "help" with Debian is on the Ubuntu or Mint forums.*
* Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings.


That's a bit shortsighted. There's a lot of fluff and noise over in the 'buntu forums. However there are some very knowledgeable people there as well and it is possible to find a nugget every now and then. Plus a lot of the technical articles/howtos are well written and applicable to Debian as well (sometimes with slight modification).

The biggest problem over there is cutting through the signal to noise ratio.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby traveler » 2011-02-14 22:55

The point of my post is this. Why would a Debian user go to Ubuntu or Mint's forums to ask their questions? Is it such a leap that Ubuntu and Mint users would ever think likewise and go ask questions of others who actually use their distro?
I have no doubt that extremely competent users can be found on any forum and never called that into question.

Better said, if I want a steak I go to the butcher's counter. I don't go ask the dude in produce.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby bugsbunny » 2011-02-14 23:58

Going there and asking for help about Debian - no I wouldn't recommend that :) Searching the forums there for possible existing answers is what I was referring to.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Postby knarf » 2011-04-16 22:38

No, there should not be any censorship. Much of what is applicable to Debian also works for Ubuntu so Ubuntu-users should be allowed to come here and mention their use of this distribution. If they ask really Ubuntu-specific questions ('Ubuntu-one deleted all my files') they can be redirected to the Ubuntu forums or other Ubuntu-specific sources, but many of their questions will be just as valid for Debian.
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