AbsentMinded and his banhammer powers

[traveler]

The Stirner story is short: whenever people speak of community or higher goals: be warned.

Think of the children!
That's the really scary one.

[Mr James]

what other forum could you have 3 pages of posts debating a mod's decision?

Why would you want to have 3 pages of posts debating a mod's decision?

• Lock this thread, pleeeeaase !!!

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I agree.

[Absent Minded]

I appreciate that expressions of sexuality are not always appropriate but is that picture really so offensive? Is it even that sexual? I noticed in the "banning" thread stuff like

Pictures depicting sexual organs

and

To be clear here, what I removed was an animated pic of human sexual organs. However, even if it had been of some other animal I likely would have removed that as well.

Here's the big news: breasts are not sexual organs! They are breasts! The sexual organs of the human female are a couple of feet south of the breasts.

What you seem to have missed here is that the picture being referd to in the post you are quoting is that of sexual organs. The picture of the breast were in another thread that I removed later and were posted there in direct defiance of my restating the forum rules, thus trying to see just how far one could push the staff here before something was done about it.

This is a technical forum and not an art forum. While many men don't care if one posts pics of them undressed, many women do find it to be sexist and degrading to have someone post pictures of nude or mostly nude women. In fact this is one of the many reasons the Debian women do not attend many of the Linux functions. If you don't believe me please have a quick search with your search engine referring to the Debian women and sexual harassment they feel they suffer at the Linux functions. I believe Nadir has a good link for it if you come up short. This forum does not wish to promote male shovanisim or sexist attitudes. No one here should be put down, demeaned or harassed because of their gender, location, ethnic background, religion or a multitude of other possible things.

This forum is open to children as well as adults and should be acceptable should either be viewing content here. While the content I have removed from the forum has not offended me personally, I would not have wanted my grandson or grand daughter coming across it should they need information related to Debian at some point.

Should the forum members wish to petition the forum staff to enable ratings and prohibit children under a certain age from viewing the forum, then it would be more acceptable to let some things slide. Why a technical forum would need such measures is not clear to me as the content here should be about Debian and not of some nude or partly nude person. There is no real need for profanity to be used here either thus making this forum unacceptable for viewing by minors. I guess if one does not have children they might not understand such things and maybe a few others just don't care.

[llivv]

geeezzzz this is worse than politics on capitol hill....Is anyone on the same page as anyone else? I keep flippin the pages looking for something close,,, like the wrong hymn has been posted for sunday service...

[julian67]

AM it seems I got the wrong end of the stick, I'm sorry.

[llivv]

AM I finished reading your post above and I'm hanging my head low....
I think my biggest defense/offense is making light of a serious problem, and it's not working....
My initial intent was to free the inner child, but it seems that I see more of the spoiled brat within rather than the behaving child..

[stoat]

I'm a new member here. I thought maybe someone would be interested in the comments of a newcomer watching this incident. Maybe not though. No hard feelings. But to me, the worst thing about this incident is the precedent that it establishes. As long as this thread exists, you kinda have to accommodate people who get banned for violating your rules and then re-register to come back and complain about it for days. Rules and punishment not only need to be applied fairly, but also consistently. To me, re-registering and posting a single additional post (starting this thread) should have been justification for a permanent ban (by IP if possible). Otherwise, the inmates are running the asylum. Of course do what you want. It's your forum, and I'm still sort of an outsider.

[Soul Singin']

I'm a new member here.

As far as I'm concerned ... A newcomer as thoughtful as you is welcome to express his opinion anytime.
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[JohnDeere630]

I'm a new member here. I thought maybe someone would be interested in the comments of a newcomer watching this incident. Maybe not though. No hard feelings. But to me, the worst thing about this incident is the precedent that it establishes. As long as this thread exists, you kinda have to accommodate people who get banned for violating your rules and then re-register to come back and complain about it for days. Rules and punishment not only need to be applied fairly, but also consistently. To me, re-registering and posting a single additional post (starting this thread) should have been justification for a permanent ban (by IP if possible). Otherwise, the inmates are running the asylum.

Hear, hear....+10

A week's banning is a remarkably light punishment for a blatantly provocative and defiant act. Coming back under another name is childish. as I said, take your lumps & move on.

It's your forum, and I'm still sort of an outsider.

We were all outsiders at first..........thoughtful people are always welcome.

[Penguin Skinner]

After being more or less away from the forums for several months, it was kind of a surprise to find what seemed like a different 'tone' here -- and I'm sure it's a tone most everyone recognizes: the hyperactive webkiddies with their high volume of low quality postings. In retrospect I think it may have been manilatox who singlehandedly created that perception. I remember a couple days ago, seeing some of his replies on a thread about role playing games -- I literally laughed out loud when he boasted of being a practioner of Krav Maga and Kali -- thinking, "This probably isn't going to end well."

Anyway, it's good to see that order and balance may be restored to the Debian forums, which is a very unique online community. You hate to see a moderator have to step in, but IMO Absent Minded handled it very well. And besides, the vitality and sense of unity of all tribal organizations needs to be refreshed now and then by vanquishing a few enemies, spreading their entrails out for all to see, and for the buzzards and wild dogs to feast upon.

OK, carry on now....

[nadir]

stoat : Rules and punishment not only need to be applied fairly, but also consistently. To me, re-registering and posting a single additional post (starting this thread) should have been justification for a permanent ban (by IP if possible)

Like you say: you are new and you can not know.
Why the others don't know i don't know. They should be banned for a week to get a chance to think about it.
Outsiders are always welcome.

Ok, here comes the thing you don't know:
a) When AdrianTM was banned someone asked why and how and what.
The answer was that "he can enter again under a new name" (and that the ban was temporary).
And, btw, it was said by AbsentMInded.
It would be really strange to ban someone for doing something one has said oneself.
But a lot of things are strange, and it wouldn't make me wonder.

So, malinatux aka LostYouMindHaveYou, has done exactly what was adviced before.

Before that, there have been no bans at all! We could say:
"THIS . IS . SPARTA"
Now we say: "hi, welcome to athen, hope you enjoy your trip, yabba-yabba, fasten the seat-belts"


PS: to be sure no one misses it:
before that, there have been no bans at all.

[neddie]

Thanks to all who are trying to redress the balance of sanity in this thread.
I'd also like to chip in my thanks to AbsentMinded. I've got nothing but awe and respect for the way he has handled this thankless task. Hats off and thumbs up.
And of course I look forward to manilatux returning on Friday

[Absent Minded]

AM it seems I got the wrong end of the stick, I'm sorry.

Hi Julian, Thank you.
Livv, thank you also.

I do appreciate those who have come out in support of me. I know we all do not always agree but I do try very hard to be fair to everyone and I do hope that is apparent in the things I care for here.

Recently it has been established by the admin team that those given a temporary ban should not be able to re-register. That has been enforced in this instance with this users second account being given a permanent ban. Their original account remains with only a temporary ban as that is how it was felt it should be. I have been known to test the water some myself and feel that most everyone deserves a second chance.

Nadir, what you seem to conveniently left out is that Adrian had been personally attacking the staff (and some others) for weeks here. In my opinion (and I think most here) I was pretty new to the job and took way more flack than I should have in trying to be fair with him.

[nadir]

No, i didn't leave it out.
It is about a completely different subject
(that, at that time, one was adviced to create another account)
Reread my post and you will understand it.

He didn't attack the staff. He did attack you.

[eric1959]

..look Mom, my first post about making a deb package....

http://forums.debian.net/index.php does not contain any pornographic content

[traveler]

..look Mom, my first post about making a deb package....

http://forums.debian.net/index.php does not contain any pornographic content

Classic. That post should be the last word in this thread. Don't forget to turn off the lights.

[Absent Minded]

No, i didn't leave it out.
It is about a completely different subject
(that, at that time, one was adviced to create another account)
Reread my post and you will understand it.

He didn't attack the staff. He did attack you.

Ah, I see. I did misunderstand a bit. Sorry about that. As for him attacking "me" (as you say), I am part of the staff, then and now.

Either way, with me missing your point originally it is a bit of a wash.

[Mez]

AbsentMinded took the correct decision on this.

Your ban has been extended by 1 week for Ban Evasion - and your "new" account has been permanently suspended.

[Mez]

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