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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-01 01:17

konfiguros wrote:I specialy like the above numbah 3 mzilikazi. Sum excitable kids likes to role play on tat one me thinks. Adults of course aint got no time nor desire fer such frivalous activty.

Since I've seen other posts where you've demonstrated a fine grasp of the English language I can only assume this non-English is meant to confuse those of us that only speak English. I cannot read whatever it is you typed and it was painful to even try.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-01 01:24

emariz wrote:1. Remove the Gerber section.

I assume you are referring to Beginners Questions? This is not the first mention of removing that sub-forum. Why should it be removed?
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby llivv » 2011-03-05 09:22

because it's a waste of everyones time.

removing all the new rules is another step in the right direction.

I for one am a bit disappointed....

If there is going to be civility in this forum,
someone is going to have remove of offending rules..
No need to ask what they are, just start removing them...
You'll know when enough of them have been purged..
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby Mr James » 2011-03-05 09:33

"This is why the problems occur."
Some people can't handle it (old users and new).
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby nadir » 2011-03-05 10:25

llivv wrote:because it's a waste of everyones time.

removing all the new rules is another step in the right direction.

I for one am a bit disappointed....

If there is going to be civility in this forum,
someone is going to have remove of offending rules..
No need to ask what they are, just start removing them...
You'll know when enough of them have been purged..

a) A big and fat +1 for Mr. or Mrs Llivv.

b) After new rules have been set in place for the beginners forum, they spread all over the forum, mainly executed by AbsentMinded.
As the new rules are now valid everywhere, there is no need for the beginners section anymore.

c) In case it is not clear why i do post:
I am trying to give an idea what one would need to do in case one would want a certain kind of people/characters to be here.
Lots are gone, and wherever they are: they will probably not come back. If you are hoping for others to come....or perhaps it doesn't matter _what is getting posted at all....
"apt-get install jargon jargon-text" is describing such characters (as an example for computing-hackers, but you will find them everywhere)
The other kind of people, the ones in love with the rules, will post things like this:
search.php?author_id=13644&sr=posts
lots of complaints about others not behaving like expected, but they help or pass info very seldom. They only engage in speaking about others (-> the ones who do help/ask/pass-info) . It is only an example, there are lots of them.
From what you, mzilikazi, posted, i have assumed that you would want this place to be less boring in the future (like it has been in the past).


d) To make clear what i mean when saying "being treated like an idiot":
btw: Starting such a thread and then letting it die in No-mans-land (aka Wasteland) is not a proof of "this is your forum".
But things seem to take very long over here...while the banning/editing/removing works in the blink of an eye.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby konfiguros » 2011-03-06 19:32

mzilikazi wrote:
konfiguros wrote:I specialy like the above numbah 3 mzilikazi. Sum excitable kids likes to role play on tat one me thinks. Adults of course aint got no time nor desire fer such frivalous activty.

Since I've seen other posts where you've demonstrated a fine grasp of the English language I can only assume this non-English is meant to confuse those of us that only speak English. I cannot read whatever it is you typed and it was painful to even try.


What I was saying is there are many socially anxious and lonely kids out there and if Debian and the forums and the internet in general make them happy then let them be.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-08 21:31

nadir wrote:
c) It might be an idea to hire mods which are able to understand the rules and which are able to stand on their own feet.

Hire? To hire implies a form of payment.

You also say that moderators cannot stand on their own two feet yet when a moderator does enforce a rule (stands on their own 2 feet) that also elicits a complaint. Someone is always going to be irritated no matter what happens.

d) Thinking of "we" and "them", not of us.

That's exactly right - we should be think of ALL users not just those that have spent their entire lives learning about how Debian works and expect everyone else to have done the same.

e) The usual behavior between humans is to ask.
Not to say: i am a moderator, i don't like that and that, i will change it ( the post).
If one wants that one needs to pay people. Those you can tell what to do, without further discussion


Again you are off base - if you want someone to hold your hand through every little grievance, investigate every complaint and read 100 threads to "get to the bottom of it all" then YOU need to pay someone for that. The rules are what they are and you are free to dislike them all you want.

(they are known as slaves. A time which is long gone, and i am not sure why a forum for free-software is build on such rules.
That it is common does not make it any better)

Really - you want to speak of slavery? No one is forced to be here. The moderators are all volunteers that dedicate what time they have. You are here voluntarily as well.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-08 21:35

mharrison wrote:And here lies the problem, as Nadir said. If the mods do not simply have the desire or the time to be the judge and jury, then perhaps we need mods who do have the time. I understand this is a volunteer based system, however you can't bitch about us bringing down the forum when you are admitting that you don't have the time to do your job. If it is that hard then step down and find someone else to do it who does have the time.

So let's see....if there's just too much for a small group to handle then the obvious solution is for that group to quit? Sorry if I can't follow your logic. Do we need more mods/admins? Perhaps, but when you ridicule the existing mods/admins I doubt that many volunteers will be forthcoming.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-08 21:38

llivv wrote:because it's a waste of everyones time.

removing all the new rules is another step in the right direction.

I for one am a bit disappointed....

If there is going to be civility in this forum,
someone is going to have remove of offending rules..
No need to ask what they are, just start removing them...
You'll know when enough of them have been purged..

I would imagine that all of the rules offend at least someone.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-08 21:40

Mr James wrote:"This is why the problems occur."
Some people can't handle it (old users and new).


As a long time Debian user I can confirm that the Debian IRC channel was one of the absolute worst places for anyone to go for assistance unless you were already an experienced user. This is what it seems that you are requesting - that forums.debian.net only cater to experienced users. I don't see that happening.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-08 21:43

nadir wrote:btw: Starting such a thread and then letting it die in No-mans-land (aka Wasteland) is not a proof of "this is your forum".
But things seem to take very long over here...while the banning/editing/removing works in the blink of an eye.[/size]

Where are you from that you think everything happens in the course of an hour or two? Starting a thread like this and then ending it after a day would have hardly been enough time to get some decent feedback.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-08 21:43

konfiguros wrote:
mzilikazi wrote:
konfiguros wrote:I specialy like the above numbah 3 mzilikazi. Sum excitable kids likes to role play on tat one me thinks. Adults of course aint got no time nor desire fer such frivalous activty.

Since I've seen other posts where you've demonstrated a fine grasp of the English language I can only assume this non-English is meant to confuse those of us that only speak English. I cannot read whatever it is you typed and it was painful to even try.


What I was saying is there are many socially anxious and lonely kids out there and if Debian and the forums and the internet in general make them happy then let them be.

Thanks for clarification - this I can understand perfectly.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby mzilikazi » 2011-03-08 21:57

There will always be new users.
Some users (new and experienced alike) will always say something that irritates someone else.
I don't see the Beginners section going away. If you don't want to read the threads in that section then don't - it really is that simple.

This community is much like the Debian Social Contract, alot of which I think applies here at forums.debian.net, especially these parts:

We will give back to the free software community

We will not hide problems

Our priorities are our users and free software

No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups

No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor


Try asking yourself "What am I here for?" If your answer is not similar to the above then perhaps you have the wrong forum.

As far as I can see there is no need for any changes to the rules. BTW - the suggested changes came directly from yet another disgruntled forum member - even those of you that don't like the way things are done here cannot agree on how it should be done.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby nadir » 2011-03-08 22:24

mzilikazi wrote:Now's your chance to speak up and make your suggestions about the existing forum guidelines
It's everyone's forum - what should the future look like?

I told you what i think. Then you say:
mzilikazi wrote: The rules are what they are and you are free to dislike them all you want.


Might well be i am off base.
A lot of people seem to be.
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Re: Additions/changes to forum rules

Postby Mr James » 2011-03-08 22:40

mzilikazi wrote:This is what it seems that you are requesting - that forums.debian.net only cater to experienced users. I don't see that happening.


I said no such thing. Go back and re-read my posts in this thread, especially the first.
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