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Why was my thread removed?

Postby Ahtiga Saraz » 2011-07-22 02:41

I am asking here because no moderator contacted me to provide notice or explanation.
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby kevmitch » 2011-07-22 03:19

I don't believe the moderators would contact you if they chose to remove your thread. It would have to basically be spam or extremely inflammatory to be considered for removal. What was it about?
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby Loomx » 2011-07-22 04:03

I read (part of) it. Very interesting.
It was about tor and censorship...







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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby golinux » 2011-07-22 04:10

kevmitch wrote:What was it about?

Paranoid, political, conspiracy stuff on a grand scale that went on forever. "They" may be out to get us in 1000 ways but worrying about it isn't going to change anything except make us miserable in the here and now. :) And since the world is already unreliable, fraught with suffering and not under our control it doesn't make a whole lot of difference one way or the other to me.
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby oswaldkelso » 2011-07-22 06:14

kevmitch wrote:I don't believe the moderators would contact you if they chose to remove your thread. It would have to basically be spam or extremely inflammatory to be considered for removal. What was it about?


It was called

Human Rights, Tor, and State Sponsored Surveillance


It was probably removed as it was deemed to political. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10653

The following might get your post REMOVED
- Advertising/ Spamming
- Obviously racist/ sexist/ hateful content
- Obviously political/ religious content
- Obvious pornographic content


golinux wrote:
kevmitch wrote:What was it about?

Paranoid, political, conspiracy stuff on a grand scale that went on forever. "They" may be out to get us in 1000 ways but worrying about it isn't going to change anything except make us miserable in the here and now. :) And since the world is already unreliable, fraught with suffering and not under our control it doesn't make a whole lot of difference one way or the other to me.


I didn't think it paranoid, far from it. It was well argued with much to back it up. Whether writing about it is going to change anything, only time will tell. Not your cup of tea maybe, and while you may have given up to those that control you many have not.
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby Ahtiga Saraz » 2011-07-22 16:09

@Loomx, oswaldkelso,

Thank you for the "interesting", "well-argued". If anyone kept a copy and is willing to PM it to me, my work might not be lost.

[EDIT 1900 UTC: Someone has sent me a copy. Many thanks!]

@golinux,

A few decades ago my attitude closely resembled yours, and life was somewhat less impossible. From my personal experience, coming under personal attack by the secret police can alter such an attitude in a heartbeat. I hope you will consider following some of the links I provided (if you kept a copy) and then read https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/First_they_came and then decide whether you wish to modify your position.

It was probably removed as it was deemed to political.


The moderator who removed it, whoever he/she was, has not deigned to give their point of view, but from my point of view, I was trying to discuss the little known hazards of using Tor, something which I presume many of us do at least occasionally, and also discuss what I regard as the misbehavior of companies like Cisco with which many sysadmins deal on a daily basis in their work. I thought that would interest other Linux users. Apparently I am not the only one who thinks Cisco (and American prosecutors) are behaving rather badly on the international stage:


Whether writing about it is going to change anything, only time will tell.


Spycos like Gamma Group, Cisco, secret police agencies.... these are powerful entities with a global reach. So I suppose I should expect them to change me long before anything changes in the wider world. I spend my days listening for the sound of the midnight knock on the door... or an incoming Hellfire missile. In the mean time, I can dream that even American war criminals will one day face open trial in the International Criminal Court.

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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby sossego » 2011-07-22 18:24

Even this board is dictated by the personal and public political views of the owner and the Debian organization. Emulating the behavior of debianuserforums.org and creating either an abyss or a truly off topic section would be better.
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What owner? What publically expressed views?

Postby Ahtiga Saraz » 2011-07-22 18:32

personal and public political views ... owner


Links? I don't know what you are talking about. Possibly I should.
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby sossego » 2011-07-22 19:06

You can ask craigevil about what I am referring to.

The Debian Social Contract is a political document. People will follow it with religious fervor.

Any post that is removed is done so based upon that moderator's or administrator's personal interpretation of the board rules. No human has the ability to be completely objective and honest without causing self harm.
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Can I?

Postby Ahtiga Saraz » 2011-07-22 19:15

Looks like craigevil has disabled PMs.

Speaking of social-networking security, is there something about PMs at this board which you know and I do not?

(I know that moderators can read any PM they want, so if it's that, I already know.)
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby sossego » 2011-07-22 19:33

The disabling of private messages is to prevent retaliation due to personal ignorance- all are included on this statement. In doing such, craigevil and the others prevent people from representing and defending themselves. Humans have a tendency to disagree and fight; this is normal. Censoring others and creating a constricting environment reflects the ideas of Huxley's Brave New World.
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby craigevil » 2011-07-22 21:54

Simple enough:
The following might get your post REMOVED
- Advertising/ Spamming
- Obviously racist/ sexist/ hateful content
- Obviously political/ religious content
- Obvious pornographic content

Go blog about it instead of posting it on forums.

Technically it wasn't removed it was moved to Spam. It was a mile long and while it was about Tor it was more about the political problems than the technical and as such doesn't belong on this forum.
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My errant thread

Postby Ahtiga Saraz » 2011-07-23 03:17

Technically it wasn't removed it was moved to Spam.


"Spam"? Is that a nonpublic subforum at DUF? I can't find it.
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Re: My errant thread

Postby 4D696B65 » 2011-07-23 03:22

Ahtiga Saraz wrote:"Spam"? Is that a nonpublic subforum at DUF? I can't find it.

Correct, it can be seen by staff only.
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby golinux » 2011-07-23 05:26

oswaldkelso wrote:
golinux wrote:"They" may be out to get us in 1000 ways but worrying about it isn't going to change anything except make us miserable in the here and now. :) And since the world is already unreliable, fraught with suffering and not under our control it doesn't make a whole lot of difference one way or the other to me.

. . . while you may have given up to those that control you many have not.

I don't think you really understood what I was trying to say. External controls may limit a certain kind of freedom. But the mind is limitless. Ultimately the only 'control' that matters is in your own head. That is where bondage or liberation arise regardless of external circumstances. That being said, I am not exactly 'uninvolved' in trying to stem the madness that is overtaking us. I just do it with a great deal of detachment. :)
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