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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby Mr James » 2011-07-23 08:24

craigevil wrote:while it was about Tor it was more about the political problems than the technical and as such doesn't belong on this forum.


Oh please. I live in a geographical location whose authorities deem the word pr0xy evil and thus prevent me from downloading anything whose name contains those four letters in sequence, including the dependencies of Gnome and KDE, thus forcing me to abort installation, use an http pr0xy, manually download the file, rename the file to it's correct name, manually stick it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and continue the install.
Discussing that and the workaround is obviously political yet is preventing me from installing Debian normally - obviously technical.

Just about anything can be made to be "obviously" anything. Why do we need security? To protect ourselves from intruders. Like who? Governments. Thread deleted - obviously political content.
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@ moderators: can I try again?

Postby Ahtiga Saraz » 2011-07-25 01:03

I don't come here often enough to know, so please forgive me for asking an elementary question about this forum: do the moderators have colorized names in the sidebar, like craigevil? I am finding it difficult to keep track of who is a moderator in this discussion, and who is not.

@ Mr James:

Yes, agreed, sometimes discussing a technical problem (or security problem) requires mention of political issues; we have provided two examples in this thread.

@ craigevil:

What is one supposed to do in such a case?

I think it is important to publicize the pervasive surveillance of Tor traffic by dozens of private spycos allied with various national intelligence agencies, since so many of us feel we have no alternative to Tor in order to use the internet at all. And these days, never going on-line is virtually synonymous with not living.

I think that sometimes some slack should be cut. Maybe we can meet in the middle? With a little help from a moderator, I might be able to find some way to discuss pervasive surveillance of Tor traffic by various parties, while avoiding as far as possible any attempt to explain the rather complicated political background issues which have given rise to such surveillance. Could I get permission to try again?
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Re: @ moderators: can I try again?

Postby 4D696B65 » 2011-07-25 01:23

Ahtiga Saraz wrote:I don't come here often enough to know, so please forgive me for asking an elementary question about this forum: do the moderators have colorized names in the sidebar, like craigevil? I am finding it difficult to keep track of who is a moderator in this discussion, and who is not.

http://forums.debian.net/memberlist.php?mode=leaders

Ahtiga Saraz wrote:What is one supposed to do in such a case?
I think that sometimes some slack should be cut. Maybe we can meet in the middle? Could I get permission to try again?

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=10653
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All in our head?

Postby Ahtiga Saraz » 2011-07-25 01:26

@ 4D696B65:

Thank you, those links are very helpful, and I have bookmarked them.

@ golinux:

Ultimately the only 'control' that matters is in your own head. That is where bondage or liberation arise regardless of external circumstances.


Sounds like you have thought about this, so I want to make sure I do not misunderstand you. If it would not be "too political" to ask: are you saying that slavery or freedom is a matter of attitude? I don't think Frederick Douglass would agree with that at all!

If it would not be "too political" for me to recommend some books which I think should interest anyone interested in the history of American slavery c. 1776:
  • Simon Schama, Rough Crossing
  • Rhys Isaac, Landon Carter's Uneasy Kingdom
  • Andrew Levy, The First Emancipator
Although it might "too political" for me to elaborate, I believe that slavery/indentured-servitude/debt c. 1776 is more relevant than slavery c. 1862 to present-day problems.

That being said, I am not exactly 'uninvolved' in trying to stem the madness that is overtaking us. I just do it with a great deal of detachment.


If you'd like to elaborate, I am curious.
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Re: All in our head?

Postby golinux » 2011-07-25 02:40

Ahtiga Saraz wrote:@ golinux:
Ultimately the only 'control' that matters is in your own head. That is where bondage or liberation arise regardless of external circumstances.

. . . are you saying that slavery or freedom is a matter of attitude?

Obviously, oppression in any form is unacceptable.

However, you misinterpreted the word 'bondage' as 'slavery' which was not at all what I had intended. I used the word 'bondage' because the mind 'binds' to pleasant or unpleasant objects usually with attachment or aversion. That knee jerk reaction 'binds' the mind to external stimuli which are ultimately out of our control. A well-trained mind can remain unruffled by the whiplash of emotion, ie. mental suffering, regardless of extreme mental or physical circumstances.

Ahtiga Saraz wrote:If it would not be "too political" for me to recommend some books . . .

No Howard Zinn or Noam Chomsky?

Ahtiga Saraz wrote:
That being said, I am not exactly 'uninvolved' in trying to stem the madness that is overtaking us. I just do it with a great deal of detachment.

If you'd like to elaborate, I am curious.

Have been trying to get GMOs out of the food supply since the early 90s and network around the globe to do so. Also active in local issues such as water rights and/or degraded quality of life stemming from irresponsible development and/or corporate negligence etc. One person cannot do everything . . . only one small part as the planet and civil society spiral into extinction.
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Re: Why was my thread removed?

Postby craigevil » 2011-07-25 03:57

Lots of info out there:
The SSD Project | EFF Surveillance Self-Defense Project https://ssd.eff.org/
Documenting Tools for Beating Internet Censorship | Electronic Frontier Foundation - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/05/d ... censorship
- http://en.flossmanuals.net/bypassing-censorship/
Security and Privacy on the Internet - LinuxQuestions.org - https://www.linuxquestions.org/question ... rnet-3080/

Feel free to start a thread on Tor or ways to beat censorship, but please do not go on and on about the political ramifications.

Instead focus on the technical or write a great howto.
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