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Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 15:10
by nadir
craigevil wrote:
if you bother to read the thread in his post he was given useful advice then stated quite plainly he didn't want to follow it.
His post in this thread has nothing to do with the attitude of people on the forum, but totally with him not liking the correct advice he was given.

Its quite simple if you do not want help then don't ask for it. His system was halfass upgraded to testing leaving him with a broken system. There is a reason people are told over and over again not to run a mixed system, especially Stable +testing it is almost impossible to keep it working.

I don't doubt that.
Still i don't think it is good manners if a few are having at one: "Oh, fun, lets join. He is weak, right now, and i can proof how tough i am" A ritual. Initialization.
To be honest: that is the behavior i really consider to be disgusting (for historical reasons, and you know i am from Germany, hence you know why i am touchy about that)
That was not very clear, i guess: If someone is on the ground, there is no need to kick him.
I wasn't speaking of that thread, but of this one (and i stressed that, for example emariz, gives good info and help. Some of this thread too, and some join wherever a few are having at one)
If that was not clear neither: i can't say it more clear.

In GB they call it: fair-play
(i think).

Its quite simple if you do not want help then don't ask for it

qft

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 15:18
by bw123
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food fight

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 15:33
by craigevil
If someone is on the ground, there is no need to kick him.


That is the perfect time to kick them. Repeatedly. :evil:

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 15:44
by hhh
craigevil wrote:
If someone is on the ground, there is no need to kick him.


That is the perfect time to kick them. Repeatedly. :evil:

LMFAO! :lol: Seriously, that is freaking funny.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 15:45
by nadir
craigevil wrote:
If someone is on the ground, there is no need to kick him.


That is the perfect time to kick them. Repeatedly. :evil:

I don't think you mean that. I don't think you understood what i (tried to ) say neither.
I never have seen you as the ones who go with the mob (We might agree or disagree, but you say what _you_ think is right, not what the vogue says. That is how i see you. I might be wrong, sure).

slightly related rant:
I have seen videos from ... mhhh.. i think Egypt where exactly that happened in real life (kicking them, repeatedly). The so-called freedom-fighters, btw. That is not funny. They would have kicked him to death, but a priest stepped in (a single one against a crowd. With his bare hands he, the priest, protected a soldier from the mob (with clubs and all). You will find the video at youtube, i guess. The choice is yours. I for one am done with their "revolution". "If you can't dance to it "... well, you know the saying) .

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 15:47
by cynwulf
nadir wrote:I wasn't speaking of that thread, but of this one

To be honest I have to agree that "ganging up" is somewhat abhorrent, but I disagree that any of the replies before your first reply constitute "ganging up". I'd say that the first 5 replies independently poked fun at the overly dramatic tone of the post. I'm not saying that I agree with the posts but that the tone of the OP itself probably probably invited those types of responses - right or wrong.

The way I see it several members tried to help the OP - he ignored it. He made another thread to get help with his b0rked system without being willing to fix it properly - people advised him again - he ignored that. Now he makes a thread here complaining about his supposedly poor treatment... the result was always going to be - members poking fun - especially when you see the content of the OP here.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 15:51
by bw123
nadir wrote:not funny. They would have kicked him to death, but a priest stepped in (a single one against a crowd. With his bare hands he, the priest, protected a soldier from the mob (with clubs and all).


Sounds like a book I read once
http://www.enotes.com/topic/List_of_Fou ... Jord_Parma

Wow, that's not funny. You know I was just thinking that with all the stuff going on in the world it's amazing that people get along as well as they do on the forum here.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 16:01
by dasein
Wow.

Speaking from firsthand knowledge, I know that the OP gets plenty of answers, on multiple questions ranging from how to register a domain to how to use find (the latter on more than one occasion).

But then he gets some answers he didn't like. Mind you, those answers are entirely correct, even if he finds them distasteful. And yet, rather than saying, "Thanks for saving me from my own ignorance," he decides that he's going to make a dramatic exit and complain about being mistreated because thoughtful, knowledgeable people dared to discourage him from doing something Genuinely Stupid.

I repeat: Wow.

The phrase "Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out" comes to mind.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 16:07
by cynwulf
hhh wrote:
craigevil wrote:
If someone is on the ground, there is no need to kick him.


That is the perfect time to kick them. Repeatedly. :evil:

LMFAO! :lol: Seriously, that is freaking funny.

Is this more of what you were referring to in this thread?

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=80856#p439454

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 16:10
by 62chevy
Debian User Forums is not a Day Care Center. I'm not here to hold anyones hand and don't expect them to hold mine. So I guess I'm just wondering why all the hand wringing over one disguntled member that voiced his displeasure with this site. People who join this site need to keep in mind no one gets paid to answer anything plus half if not most of the members here are like me, other than IT pros.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 16:41
by nadir
bw123 wrote:
nadir wrote:not funny. They would have kicked him to death, but a priest stepped in (a single one against a crowd. With his bare hands he, the priest, protected a soldier from the mob (with clubs and all).


Sounds like a book I read once



I am not sure if i fully understand, cause there it says:
"appears to be a priest, but is really a member of the Korellian Secret Police sent to entrap Hober Mallow."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvUUBg4Xmho
Decide for yourself (it only shows a short version of the scene, and is mainly an interview).
And you then say:
Wow, that's not funny. You know I was just thinking that with all the stuff going on in the world it's amazing that people get along as well as they do on the forum here."

Which makes me think that i don't understand the link.

That is the perfect time to kick them. Repeatedly.

Just that we know what exactly we are talking about when saying "kicking someone repeatedly"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLu4Tln ... re=related
Like said: i doubt you meant something like that, craigevil, and even something far from that.
You might say it is not related at all, this is just a forum,no harm, etc. That is right. The thing i mean is: many against one. That attitude. And, like said: i never saw you as one of those people. Never.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 16:55
by hhh
cynwulf wrote:Is this more of what you were referring to in this thread?

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=80856#p439454

Ugh, must... resist... responding...

Aw, fsck it.

No, they're two entirely different instances. From what I can tell (I only skimmed this guy's rant) he should have asked questions before "updating " his system, and when he was told that "ya' done messed up, boy", he through a tantrum. Kick that sucker to the stone age.

The Crunchbang guy asked if he was welcome here, and craigevil's immediate response was, essentially, "GTFO". Which is fine, he's a forum moderator, he is knowledgeable in computers and Debian, and he can conduct himself however the hell he wants, really.

But, look, when craigevil posted this question here...
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77786&start=30
... instead of taking the three minutes (Oh noes! Three whole minutes!) it took me to Google the answer, I could have said something smartass, like "why don't you fecking Google that, you moran (sic)" and started a whole negative vibe thing, right? But instead, it's "here's your answer", "awesome thanks. Over 100MB freed. :)", done. See what I'm saying?

In other words, when craig posted this...
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=79054#p432300
... and a month and a half later he's still posting and still a moderator, should we ridicule him for being a drama queen (I'm tired of all the drama!) or just be glad that someone who knows something about Debian is moderating things?

-edit- BTW, huge difference between berating someone over the Internet and physically kicking someone, in case you didn't know.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 17:04
by bw123
nadir wrote:I am not sure if i fully understand, cause there it says:
"appears to be a priest, but is really a member of the Korellian Secret Police sent to entrap Hober Mallow."


Well, since the thread is already hijacked... I was thinking either:

A) You are taking up for the little guy like the priest, but why?
B) Linux is like atomics in Asimov's Foundation,
B2) Debian forum members are the priest class in Foundation,
C) Things are not always what they appear,
D) All of the above,
E) None of the above

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 18:03
by nadir
bw123 wrote:
nadir wrote:I am not sure if i fully understand, cause there it says:
"appears to be a priest, but is really a member of the Korellian Secret Police sent to entrap Hober Mallow."


Well, since the thread is already hijacked... I was thinking either:


B) Linux is like atomics in Asimov's Foundation,
B2) Debian forum members are the priest class in Foundation,
C) Things are not always what they appear,
D) All of the above,
E) None of the above

that is an answer (or post) of my taste .... :-)

A) You are taking up for the little guy like the priest, but why?

That is not the point. He might be a priest or not. He might work for the secret police or not. He saved the life of a single human (and risking his own life by doing so). He stopped the mob (and it is shown in the video, and by the brutality shown i doubt that it is a fake).
That was the point.
Even if it was a fake there, such things did happen. They might happen seldom, but they do happen. Simply not joining the mob is what i mean (not everyone is a hero, and one doesn't need to be). The ones shouting for freedom and democracy doing exactly what the former terror regime did (and partly even worse). That was the point too. Me not believing in any group, nation, race, legion. That too.
The amount of brutality (verbal or non-verbal) does not matter. It is the attitude which scares me (the will to join a group to feel "strong").

And even if it was all a fake, and it does exist nowhere-never-ever, i will still keep on believing that it does. Because i want to.

"The dream of Raskolnikow"
so to speak. but that was a riddle...

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 18:15
by JohnDeere730
The OP was/is not a fallen hero, being viciously pecked at by the mob, so enough with the don't kick him when he is down bullshit. When someone posts a "farewell/suicide post which in reality is just a whiny diatribe against some perceived "injustice", he/she deserves a full measure of ridicule. Damned drama queens anyway.