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Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 18:20
by nadir
The OP was/is not a fallen hero, being viciously pecked at by the mob, so enough with the don't kick him when he is down bullshit. When someone posts a "farewell/suicide post which in reality is just a whiny diatribe against some perceived "injustice", he/she deserves a full measure of ridicule. Damned drama queens anyway.

I didn't say that he is a hero, fallen or not. Neither did i say that he doesn't deserve it.
What i said: that if something has been said, it doesn't needed to be repeated.
If something has been said in 5 posts in a row, it doesn't need to be repeated for sure.
Each joke is funny exactly once.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 18:37
by bw123
nadir wrote: Simply not joining the mob is what i mean (not everyone is a hero, and one doesn't need to be). The ones shouting for freedom and democracy doing exactly what the former terror regime did (and partly even worse). That was the point too. Me not believing in any group, nation, race, legion.


Were kinder for you to verbally kick me before I anger the mob, than wait until they have me down on the ground so you can step in and save me.

I think it's great that Debian allows us to be individuals and there are as many ways to run it as there are users. People have the freedom to experiment, install whatever they want, and crash, trash or abuse their system any way they want. Package management is a complicated subject though, and it seems like a little democracy is a good idea here. Appears to me that most of the voters, and most of the documentation are opposed to running testing or unstable packages on stable.

I think it's great that the OP tried it anyway, because anybody can learn from his own mistakes.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 20:38
by dilberts_left_nut
Following on from the link to the fable, it seems an opportune moment to dust off this old chestnut ...
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Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 21:24
by nadir
bw123 wrote:
nadir wrote: The o Simply not joining the mob is what i mean (not everyone is a hero, and one doesn't need to be)nes shouting for freedom and democracy doing exactly what the former terror regime did (and partly even worse). That was the point too. Me not believing in any group, nation, race, legion.


Were kinder for you to verbally kick me before I anger the mob, than wait until they have me down on the ground so you can step in and save me

a) Where did i attack you verbally?
b) Which mob is having at you, and where?
c) Where did i say i wanted to save anyone?

I said that i consider such group-behavior disgusting. That was all. If that is a verbal attack: OK (for the ones part of such groups it sure is) But it doesn't mean that i plan to save anyone, only that i don't plan to join such groups. Which is exactly what i have said
( and you quoted it yourself: " Simply not joining the mob is what i mean (not everyone is a hero, and one doesn't need to be").


I think it's great that Debian allows us to be individuals

Does it mean it is ok that i have my say, that i object, or shall i add a few silly and running-gag jokes too? It shouldn't be too hard to quote a bit of what i find here. Can i join then? Will i feel fuzzy and warm? Yes, i will.
It is warm in the crowd, but it stinks.
There:
Debian is not a hand holding distro. Don't let the door slap you in the back.
Better?

---
dilbert: replace the white-shirt-guy with a small boy, and we are more close to it. Cowards, strong in the middle of the gang only. Not able to stand on their own feet. Repeating what they consider to be cool. I said repeating. That is what i meant (it is not what you meant, obviously).

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 22:18
by dilberts_left_nut
Meh.
That has been around a long time and Debian has had that reputation for a long time.
Unjustly from my experience.

Maybe Debian attracts people with a certain 'sense of humour'.

Maybe it is a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Maybe those who see that are looking too hard for it and either sub or consiously find justification of their prejudices, their responses generating a feedback loop leading inevitably to the conclusion they were already expecting.

Text based communication is notably lacking in context, giving great scope for people to 'fill in the blanks' as suits their own position.

The world is not perfect.

At the end of the day this is only an anonymous internet forum, participation is by choice.
Take what you want, leave what you don't.
I see no point getting dramatic or personal or taking anything to heart.

It's not like anybody got their front door kicked in and beaten for 'doing it wrong'.

I saw "You should do it like this, and we can help with that".

For whatever reason, he saw it different.

So, again, meh.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-18 22:40
by JohnDeere730
dilberts_left_nut wrote:Meh.
That has been around a long time and Debian has had that reputation for a long time.
Unjustly from my experience.

Maybe Debian attracts people with a certain 'sense of humour'.

Maybe it is a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Maybe those who see that are looking too hard for it and either sub or consiously find justification of their prejudices, their responses generating a feedback loop leading inevitably to the conclusion they were already expecting.

Text based communication is notably lacking in context, giving great scope for people to 'fill in the blanks' as suits their own position.

The world is not perfect.

At the end of the day this is only an anonymous internet forum, participation is by choice.
Take what you want, leave what you don't.
I see no point getting dramatic or personal or taking anything to heart.

It's not like anybody got their front door kicked in and beaten for 'doing it wrong'.

I saw "You should do it like this, and we can help with that".

For whatever reason, he saw it different.

So, again, meh.


+1

If one goes through life with a giant chip on their shoulder; always looking for something to be pissed over, life will unfailingly oblige in providing that something. 'nuff said.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-19 09:36
by nadir
I will try to replace the chip with a parrot.

Got one to share? Or a how-to-attract them? They are around you like bees around honey (to avoid flies around shit).

Wait, i don't think life will provide me with such, as i am not looking for them ... "if one goes thrugh life looking for blind and dumb fanboys -juniors- life will unfailingly provide them" Yes? Or does it only work the other way around?
Now speak to us, master. What shall we say next?

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-19 09:45
by dilberts_left_nut
Just poke out one eye, cut off one leg and a hand, and a parrot should arrive forthwith.
It may even bring you a cool hat :)

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-19 09:55
by nadir
dilberts_left_nut wrote:Just poke out one eye, cut off one leg and a hand, and a parrot should arrive forthwith.
It may even bring you a cool hat :)

That is a point.
Best i can offer:
http://resident.dyndns.info/content/wor ... ag0089.jpg
Will work? Let me go in the park and wait ( bottle of Glenn Fiddich won't hurt, i guess...)


.... rarr....rarrr....rarr....
rarrr... rarrr... rarrr....

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-25 12:21
by richard1558
I'm sorry, Aris Veresie, but I fail to see what's your problem with this Forum.
I am quite new to this Forum, and I have also asked for help on this Forum, and I got help.
( I also give help where I can. )

I do not know what is your definition of help, but I include "advice" into the category of help.

The Users which have posted in your threads have given valid answers, which you do not want to acknowledge.
The Users help where they can and where they want to help.

If you can't maintain your system, and they aren't willing to maintain it for you, then who will?

They have pointed out that a mixed system is a mess, and that they can't/wont help you with that.

If you aren't willing to tackle the problem with a different approach then you are simply ignorant.

Aris Veresie wrote:The second reason is that you do NOT have the BALLS to write your name and you use a nickname instead.

Aris Veresie wrote:I will not log into these forums again. If you have anything to say to me, please use email as I will not be able to see your answers, if you do care to answer.

Aris Veresie wrote:If you do not want me to use the Debian OS kindly inform me via email and I will remove it within a month.

Aris Veresie wrote:Being anonymous is the same as being an idiot.


... was that really neccessary?

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-25 13:18
by cynwulf
richard1558 wrote:They have pointed out that a mixed system is a mess, and that they can't/wont help you with that.

Incorrect. Most of the inhabitants will help someone with a mixed system - if they are actually running a mixed system.

A mixed system is: testing + unstable (+ experimental)

A mixed system is not: stable + testing (+ unstable + experimental + stable backports) as the OP seemed to think...

If someone still wants to run the second option and gets in a huff when the answer is "# apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" - then they're free to continue running their mess as they see fit, but shouldn't expect others to bail them out when it breaks (as it did - no surprises there).

Why should anyone waste their own precious time helping someone else to polish their turd?

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-25 13:45
by rivenathos
Safest option is Stable.
Next safest option is Stable + Backports.
However, Stable + Testing is a recipe for disaster.
You live and you learn.
Have fun with all the pieces.

Re: Last post

PostPosted: 2012-06-25 13:46
by richard1558
I misread your post from the other Thread, my bad.
( I never tried a mixed system. )
cynwulf wrote:stable + testing is not a "mixed system" it's a mess.

cynwulf wrote:A mixed system is: testing + unstable (+ experimental)
A mixed system is not: stable + testing (+ unstable + experimental + stable backports) as the OP seemed to think...

I stand corrected, and have learned something new :).