A spammer is only allowed to accrue a post count of 200 if someone only has the power to delete the posts and not the account... Obvious no? That was in fact the shambolic situation for about two years while the administration were nowhere to be found.saulgoode wrote:Again with the unequivocal assertions. What distinguishes between a user and a spammer? It can't be the number of posts -- because I've processed at least a dozen spammers that have had more than 200 posts, and we have a Spam Hunter with only 20.
As to the difference between a user and a spammer - and let us even assume that all spammers are human (some are) for the sake of argument - is that a user is here because they have at least a passing interest in the subject matter, with an intention to remain and post - where a spammer is here to advertise a product for free and leave immediately...
I don't really have an opinion on what is off topic and what is on topic, except that it's important not to get too anal about it, as there is often quite a fine line. Yes someone starting a thread about WW1 or the US election could be deemed as making an inappropriate thread, but a discussion about free software licences which starts to get political is not really the same thing - as the intent is entirely different.saulgoode wrote:Let me tell you. Your post would be removed because it is inappropriate to that forum[etc]
I for one can accept that, but you're inferring that all moderation is automatically fair and even handed and that no one is needed to police the police... in the ideal world perhaps... I disagree, and have seen corrupt and biased forum staff too many times to think otherwise. I've also seen bad decisions which have had serious consequences, caused resentment and a rift in the relations between staff and members leading to the classic "them and us" situation.saulgoode wrote:That is why forums have moderation: to be fair to everybody who contributes premised on the goals that the forum is pursuing[etc]
Personally I don't think any forum is about staff - it's all about the members and FDN is no different, the members made this place and heavy handed inflexible moderation will break it... this is not a kids games forum, so the "classic" overbearing moderator style will not yield the best results here. There needs to be flexibility on language and what is seen as offtopic, etc. The cotton wool wrapped "stepford" like environment of the 'buntard forums, is not welcome here and has traditionally been rejected. Compared to the stifling authoritative boards elsewhere, this place was always a welcome relief - this is what many members do not want to see compromised. There is a valid reason why this place had so many 'buntu sucks' threads - it was one of the few GNU/Linux communities on the web where you could get away with it... when you have relaxed rules, you have to take the rough with the smooth a pity some people can't see that and instinctively strive for stricter moderation.
Moderation is also mostly opinion. Yes there are rules, but they're not all encompassing rules - discretion plays a big part and that's where "what I find offensive" comes in. Moderator A may not find X offensive and lets it go, Moderator B does and locks it. This introduces a problem - judgement failed, but who's judgement? If there was even the smallest doubt, then why was it locked, etc, etc, etc...?
That said I do believe there are two notable exceptions - namely politics and religion. Discussion of those two invariably leads to flame wars, infighting and divisions. People who previously connected well via the subject matter often cease to connect on discovering that they hail from different ends of the political spectrum - in some cases this manifests itself in outright hatred and intolerance. So personally I don't have a problem with those being off limits - within reason.