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Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-07 17:01
by nadir
That would be fine for you and I

Hurray. Da gramma nazi startx to speak da speak :-)

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Time for the old violine i love so much.

I am always against restricting users (with one singly exception, as far this board is concerned).

It's the same old story:
Take a boogeyman to explain why restrictions are needed. Use any arbitrary of: spammers, taliban, terrorists, CP, trolls, whatever.
Once the rules are in place, execute them towards users and forget about the boogeyman.

Don't get me wrong: Yes, spam is a problem. Are restrictions a solution? I would say: no.

Not that i had any power to decide anything. Just playing my violine, for the fun of it (trying to convince myself to set up syndie asap).

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 05:59
by llivv
cynwulf wrote:One very viable solution to this site's spam problems was posted nearly two years ago and it was simply ignored by the administration: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=67979&p=391993#p391993

Randicus wrote:It is the worst solution. The best solution, referenced by cynwulf, is preventing spammers from starting accounts.
Most if not all the admins are d devs, devs have been fighting their own spam battles
long before spam became an issue on the forum.
Doesn't anyone else ever wonder who the spammers are IRL? or if they have a real life?
How to blacklist unwanted stuff will probably always be an art.
We have to do are best at it just as everyone else should, if just for sanity's' sake.
cynwulf wrote:Yes, it's all futile, I'm just here pointing out the sheer futility of it all to those who do not yet understand the sheer futility of it, which is in itself rather futile...
hehe -- call me cerf

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 07:12
by Randicus
llivv wrote:Most if not all the admins are d devs, devs have been fighting their own spam battles
long before spam became an issue on the forum.

That does not explain why this is the only forum I know of that is inundated with it.
Doesn't anyone else ever wonder who the spammers are IRL? or if they have a real life?

They are little demons and demonesses who have fled the nether world, because they are too weak to be anything other than slaves of the stronger creatures. They came here, because they have enough power to annoy us by creating spam. I thought everyone knew that.

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 08:23
by cynwulf
nadir wrote:Don't get me wrong: Yes, spam is a problem. Are restrictions a solution? I would say: no.

+1

Restrictions are not the solution - a better CAPTCHA system, which humans have no trouble with, but which at least hinders spambot registration, is. There is no "firewall" solution to this, but cutting down the bot registrations by even 50% would make a worthwhile difference.

Anyway, yes, futile - done.

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 08:48
by 4D696B65
cynwulf wrote:a better CAPTCHA system, which humans have no trouble with, but which at least hinders spambot registration

Very true, spambots have little trouble with most captcha. We even have some spambots advertising captcha hacking software. :shock:

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 09:01
by cynwulf
4D696B65 wrote:We even have some spambots advertising captcha hacking software. :shock:

That software is the spambot.

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 16:06
by nadir
llivv wrote:Most if not all the admins are d devs, devs have been fighting their own spam battles
long before spam became an issue on the forum.

What the faq are you talking about?

It doesn't matter at all.
Both doesn't matter:
If or if not they are dev's
If or if not they have already dealt with such before.

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Tip: Less LSD, more beer, and think _before_ write something: "does it make any sense at all?".

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 16:56
by llivv
nadir wrote:What the faq are you talking about?

llivv wrote:Doesn't anyone else ever wonder who the spammers are IRL? or if they have a real life?
It's a train of thought.
nadir wrote:It doesn't matter at all.
Both doesn't matter:
If or if not they are dev's
If or if not they have already dealt with such before.

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Tip: Less LSD, more beer, and think _before_ write something: "does it make any sense at all?".
nobody said you had to board my train of thought.

Question everything!

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 17:01
by nadir
Still not enough beer.

I didn't speak about the sentence
what spammers are in real life
but about the sentence that
all admins of the forum are debian developers and have dealt with such before, long before the forum.

Hint:
If i quote something, then i usually speak about that.
Not about the stuff i did _not_ quote.
I always assumed that was common behaviour.


My hamster, btw, is a rock star. I ask him to run in circles, but he told me he did it before.

Re: Quite a spamfest today

PostPosted: 2013-03-08 17:10
by llivv
nadir wrote:Still not enough beer.

Dieter wrote:you have become boring and tiresome.
It is now time on sprockets when we dance.
http://youtu.be/LxQ6olQjebg

I glass of wine please.
Edit:
what I said wrote:Most if not all the admins are d devs, devs have been fighting their own spam battles
long before spam became an issue on the forum.

nadir wrote:all admins of the forum are debian developers and have dealt with such before, long before the forum.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/06/msg00398.html
I doubt this guy is one of the forum admins, but he has been dealing with spam for a while.