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WARNING: it works for me, but I haven't tested it in all aspects, and even thought I'd need to delve deep to figure out some issues, but I managed to install and configure all that I really needed. It works, it works!
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Don't follow these apt-get install lines and all if you don't understand, or at least have a backup to be able to restore your system if you mess it up!
ADVICE: Make sure you read all before you hit this road.
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I've edited the topic (see the EDIT line in bottom) for typoes and unclarities. However, there is no easy way for me to check on the apt-get logs that are included aplenty. That can not be done without much time and effort, in such amount which are unavailable to me. So I'll try and only publictimestamp the whole series of my 11 (eleven) posts in the 12th post that I intend to add today.
I also am yet to see what news gives on these issues, and if any important information in regard is necessary, I'll try and post those in some new post. I probably won't be rewriting any of the first 11 posts any more.
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If I were somebody considering installing Debian these days, instead of running Debian as I am, and surely, if you, gentle reader, are, or have a friend thinking about installing Debian
(
in which a victory of reason over betrayal might be coming our way:
Debian Is Back To Discussing Init Systems, Freedom of Choice
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118118&p=557203#p557203
, and some of the other distros may follow suit should that happen; but I will post sad news and retract my words should the betrayal GR be voted instead
)
,I would, and you or your friends should, in these weeks when Jessie is being released as stable, surely look into and recommend:
How to remove Systemd from Debian jessie/sid/
http://without-systemd.org/debian-jessie/
Running a Debian system, I don't need to install this myself, though.
But I think I might need some other great stuff.
Namely there has been great changes in other quarters. It's [D]ebian [D]eveloper Thorsten Glaser (mirabilos), the MirBSD leader and other developers that posted packages that I hope I will be able to use for myself to purge my Debian from what I have to call poetteringware [1].
I can see on:
MirDebian “WTF” Repository
http://users.unixforge.de/~tglaser/debs/debidx.htm
And I remember there was much less there, say, one month ago! E.g. there wasn't much talk of dbus, now there is:
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prevent-dbus
There is:
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prevent-pulseaudio
and those are packages that I've so wished to get rid of in my Debian!
Sure, the main ones are:
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prevent-systemd-completely, prevent-systemd-installed, prevent-systemd-running
That's an wonderful sight! And remember, in other posts on systemd there was talk of the package systemd-must-die, which was obviously renamed in a clever political move. Sure enough!
It's necessary to explain to newbies who will be using this guide that lots of people consider the programs around systemd (and those others above like dbus and pulseaudio are all of the same family too), to be kind of intrusion oriented on the noble nature of FOSS Linux [2] and kind of windozing it, making it like M$ Winblows
.I am, however not an experienced Debianer (I have longer experience in Gentoo). [3]
At first I wasn't even sure that these packages were meant for my arch as well. However, looking up:
http://users.unixforge.de/~tglaser/debs/dists/sid/wtf/
I see that they can be used in all arches.
So what I need next, is learn how to use them. The air-gapped way [4], of course. The only way that I install software. Those packages will apparently be around for much longer, since systemd frankenstein packages are not likely to just go away anytime soon (but rather later, just wait and see!).
I'll be treading cautiously, though, and will ask for help myself from more seasoned Debianers first.
There is also a note that I believe I should put here upfront. And it regards the manner in which I maintain my systems. Namely I don't keep online other than only with a secondary clone of the system that I build the Air-Gapped way, and I also update from my local mirror with signed Jigdo DVD's served from them only in the Air-Gapped system, which I always have the ability to clone on the system that I use for online.
A Tip I had begun to develop and it talks about that method (sadly, I was ungratiously interrupted before I was able to finish it; but it's still the same good and correct, although unwieldy info -- with many of the involved now hiding their names there; and which is sad):
Poor User's Defences, Basic Anti-Surveillance for Debian
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111906
And you should see also the topic in Gentoo Forums (where the cloning is only one of the issues I deal with though):
Postfix smtp-tls-wrapper, Bkp/Cloning Mthd, a Zerk Provider
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-999436.html
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[1] Not for some gleeful urge to detract and disparage over that capable --but destruction/other nefarious purposes oriented-- programmer who is windozing FOSS Linux, but because that is sadly the common denominator in all those probably-spyware programs: their main developer is that Lennart Poettering guy.
[2] I use the term FOSS Linux and not GNU/Linux to declare that Richard Matthew Stallman has betrayed the users of the [F]ree [O]pen [S]ource [S]oftware Linux, as he is promoting surveillance/other by making programs to couple Emacs with the master of all spyware programs in FOSS Linux, the SELinux, the one worst program in all of the *nix world --*nix is a short term describing the whole family to which FOSS Linux belongs, the family of all the Unix and Linux and BSD and Solaris and other flavors--
[3] In my Debian I run LXDE (I actually don't care much about DE, I manage files and most things on my rxvt-unicode, and generally don't care for stuff such as automounting (and many other frills), I actually think I don't want it... (I value security first and foremost, because I don't want to be controlled, and surveillance, the rampant subdued of our age, is about control.) So full blown KDE or Gnome or Matte or XFCE or some other DE is not important nor appealing to me at all...).
[4] What I mean is, I downloaded the packages. With wget. If anyone is interested, tell me, and I'll explain the commands --just be patient to wait if I'm busy elsewhere-- that I used to somewhat automate the downloads of the packages that I need on my machine. It's the sid suite from MirDebian “WTF” Repository only. And I made a mirror repo on my Apache server. For the latter see: How to Install Debian Offline from Your Local Mirror). And now I can, safely offline, on another machine that sees no internet at all, run, say:
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apt-get install prevent-systemd-completely
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