HOWTO: Installing Newer Apps on Etch

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Postby chrismortimore » 2007-05-27 20:04

Lou wrote:Will this solve the scenario you're painting or not?
No. The scenario I'm painting is more of a problem when packages require specific versions of it's dependencies. Such as the ratpoison 1.4.1 deb package requiring libc6 >= 2.5 (as shown here). Given Etch ships with 2.3.6, you probably just went and upgraded a pretty vital bit of your system without thinking to the unstable version. Kind of defeats the point of running stable, doesn't it? And that is for something as simple as ratpoison, for more complex programs, more and more unstable packages will sneek into your computer.

Question, and please answer honestly. Did you check what packages it wanted to upgrade when you installed ratpoison from unstable?
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Postby Lou » 2007-05-27 23:45

chrismortimore wrote:Question, and please answer honestly.


I always answer honestly, no ego here :D

Did you check what packages it wanted to upgrade when you installed ratpoison from unstable?


Yes, i looked at them, there were only two IIRC.

So, am i better off moving to Sid now that i installed these 2 apps? Is it worth it moving the whole system to Sid?
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Postby rickh » 2007-05-28 00:55

You've already got libc6 from Sid, but I've been running that for a while on a system that's primarily Lenny with no problems. Personally, I like keeping my "safe" system based in Lenny with things pulled from Sid as needed, rather than randomly.

I would think, though, that you're certainly capable of maintaining a Sid system if you feel like it.
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Postby plugwash » 2007-05-28 01:10

testing/unstable mixes are generally ok, lots of people run them and since the way testing is updated is very similar to mixing testing and unstable the packages had damn well better work in that situation. Stable/testing or stable/unstable mixes are ok right now but will get more and more risky as more and more stuff as testing and unstable move further than further away from stable.
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Postby chrismortimore » 2007-05-28 10:16

Lou wrote:So, am i better off moving to Sid now that i installed these 2 apps? Is it worth it moving the whole system to Sid?
I'd suggest either rolling back the packages it upgraded to Etch, or go to Lenny. As plugwash says, a mixed testing/unstable system is fine, because the two are usually pretty similar. Unless you particularly want to go to Sid, I see no reason to. But I'm biased, ever since Sid ate my LVM partitions a few years ago, I've stayed away from it as a host system.
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Postby Lou » 2007-05-28 12:34

chrismortimore wrote:I'd suggest either rolling back the packages it upgraded to Etch, or go to Lenny.


Hmm, every mind is a different world. I don't like Lenny, it doesn't have those apps i like. Sid is well... Sid.

I think i'll take my chances with what i got, and if things get nasty i will move to Sid then. In a couple of months i will upgrade the Sid apps i got in Etch. I'm curious to see if the Sid apps upgrade will include the deps too.

The worst thing that can happen is that i will have to reinstall, and this time will be Sid. Thank you all, it sure has been enlightening :lol:
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Postby chrismortimore » 2007-05-28 13:01

I'd be inclined to edit the first post with a note saying to read this whole thread before trying stuff. Just as a little warning to newcomers.
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Postby Lavene » 2007-05-28 13:26

chrismortimore wrote:I'd be inclined to edit the first post with a note saying to read this whole thread before trying stuff. Just as a little warning to newcomers.


I second that. Since you posted it as a howto, and since temporary changes to sources.list is a bad bad idea, you should make people aware of the fact that it is a bad bad idea. Or even rewrite it a little and avoid the bad bad idea all together ;)

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Postby Lou » 2007-05-28 14:07

Done.
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Postby Lou » 2007-05-28 15:22

UPDATE: i dist-upgraded to Sid, installed apt-listbugs, got an error message with xfe, but it works.
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Postby Lou » 2007-05-31 01:39

Lou wrote:UPDATE: i dist-upgraded to Sid, installed apt-listbugs, got an error message with xfe, but it works.


Second update: i'm back on Etch 30 May 2007
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Postby chrismortimore » 2007-05-31 09:54

Lou wrote:Second update: i'm back on Etch 30 May 2007
Heh, guess your Sid adventure was a little too hectic then?
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Postby Lou » 2007-05-31 12:06

Well, i've been on Sid a few times in the past, but this time, the bugs are killing me,(xfe and sylpheed) so i went back to Etch.
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Postby Lux » 2007-05-31 17:52

Lou wrote:Well, i've been on Sid a few times in the past, but this time, the bugs are killing me,(xfe and sylpheed) so i went back to Etch.

There doesn't currently seem to be any bug reports filed against xfe in unstable. On the contrary, the latest version of xfe seems to fix bugs found in earlier versions.

Many Debian Sid users want to report all the bugs they've discovered -- this way the problems get fixed ASAP. It's also possible to request new features by sending a bug report with the "wishlist" severity.

The reportbug tool (and the new GUI tool reportbug-ng in unstable) makes reporting bugs a bit easier. Debian.org provides instructions for reporting bugs. And here's an unofficial bug-reporting HOWTO.

I created a special email address for reporting bugs in Debian -- spammers seem to read bugs.debian.org. It's also useful to track responses to your bug reports every now and then because developers may request some additional information.
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