4K on Debian Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) only 2048 x

[akrueger]

check the ouput of `ip link` & `lspci`

Or could I also only install a newer kernel in jessie-stable?

Yes: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1257
The standard technique is to use whichever device you are posting here with to download the relevant .deb files [1] and then transfer them to your Debian box and install them with gdebi.
[1] http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool ... +1_all.deb & http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/ma ... _amd64.deb & http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool ... _amd64.deb

Fantastic, thanks.
The standard won't load anymore (gets stuck on black screen with cursor at top left), but the "4.8.0 recovery mode" is booting into a shell. So I thought perhaps I get the wlan going from there, and then install a newer kernel via apt (instead of / additional to those 3 gdebi files)

But this is what I can see:

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lspci
Network Controller: Intel Corporation  Device 3165 (rev 79)

ip link
... link/loopback ...

So my device seems to get recognized, but

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iw dev 

shows nothing. So there is no wlan0 (wlp1s0) device, yet.

Tried the Parabola live system: Exactly the same as above.

Back to ubuntu:

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lspci
Network Controller: Intel Corporation  Device 3165 (rev 79)

iw dev
phy#0   ...
            Interface wlp1s0 ...
                               channel 6 (2437 MHz) ...
   
ip link
1: lo ...
2: wlp1s0 ... state UP

So ... ?

[Head_on_a_Stick]

If we could see the full output of this command from the Ubuntu system:

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lspci -nn

Then we can access just how "bad" your hardware is in respect of freedom (as in speech).

https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI

[akrueger]

You are very kind but I must respectfully refuse your offer and instead ask that you make a donation on my behalf, either to Debian or to a cat charity of your choice

If you love cats so much ... why not. Personally I'd prefer to give to (you or) a Linux related charity.

I have searched around, but debian.org donations has no Bitcoin address - here are some 2014 arguments why it could be a good idea, but they did not seem interested. Actually, linuxmint does give a Bitcoin address (and a mintcoin address) for donations - but I guess that is a completely different animal for you, right?

[akrueger]

If we could see the full output of this command from the Ubuntu system:

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lspci -nn

https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI

Thanks. When ubuntu was working I had already stored some hardware info and benchmarking tools (hardinfo, I-Nex, lshw, ...). But now to this specific one:

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00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:5904] (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:5916] (rev 02)
00:04.0 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Skylake Processor Thermal Subsystem [8086:1903] (rev 02)
00:13.0 Non-VGA unclassified device [0000]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d35] (rev 21)
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI Controller [8086:9d2f] (rev 21)
00:14.2 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP Thermal subsystem [8086:9d31] (rev 21)
00:15.0 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller [8086:9d60] (rev 21)
00:15.1 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller [8086:9d61] (rev 21)
00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP CSME HECI [8086:9d3a] (rev 21)
00:17.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [8086:9d03] (rev 21)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port [8086:9d14] (rev f1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d58] (rev 21)
00:1f.2 Memory controller [0580]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PMC [8086:9d21] (rev 21)
00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d71] (rev 21)
00:1f.4 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP SMBus [8086:9d23] (rev 21)
01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3165 [8086:3165] (rev 79)

Then we can access just how "bad" your hardware is in respect of freedom (as in speech).

So how bad is it, Doctor?

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Not too bad, actually

The only "offender" is the wireless card and we already knew that.

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Dual_Ba ... 3165NGW%29

https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Missed this sorry...

linuxmint does give a Bitcoin address (and a mintcoin address) for donations - but I guess that is a completely different animal for you, right?

Ah yes, definitely no donations to Mint please, they are a commercial concern AFAICT.

[GarryRicketson]

Off topic :

Why try to push bitcoin so hard

H_O_A_S > You are very kind but I must respectfully refuse your offer and instead ask that you make a donation on my behalf, either to Debian or to a cat charity of your choice

So why keep pushing it ? Please reply in the new thread on the offtopic forum.

[akrueger]

Not too bad, actually

Very happy.

The only "offender" is the wireless card and we already knew that.
https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Dual_Ba ... 3165NGW%29
https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi

Great info sites, thanks.

If that is the "only offender", I see these options, correct me if I am wrong:

• replace the offender by a different (modern but freesoftware) wifi card, for a few $ (which one is the best ... anyone?)
• for the time being just add a (modern but freesoftware) USB wifi stick (which one is the best ... anyone?) [IDEA]
• succeed installing a non-free wifi driver, when I succeed installing a backports kernel - right?
• get to know Ubuntu a bit better, until autumn Debian 9.0

[IDEA] Good that I typed the above - I have found a (possibly old enough) USB wifi stick in my RaspberryPi stuff now - it is a

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lsusb
Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter

but I get these errors

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sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot allocate memory

and

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nmcli c up con 

(process:1812): libnm-glib-WARNING **: async_got_type: could not read properties for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/10: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist

Error: Connection activation failed: Creating object for path '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/10' failed in libnm-glib.

That laptop uses an Intel wireless chipset (the spousal unit has the 15" version of this laptop) but you need either a Testing install or a backported kernel and firmware-iwlwifi from non-free to make wireless work - Jessie is just too old for a laptop this new.

Thanks, wizard10000.

So you don't think if we solve the wifi problem, all the other things will just work fine, even on Jessie?
My first impression is that they do - even the touchscreen is just working fine.

[akrueger]

I'd install Stretch and just make sure apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges was installed. Your best shot at a successful install is going to be this image -
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unof ... etinst.iso ...

Fantastic. I have done that now, and it is running. Thanks!

With a nonfree device driver for wifi, so not up to Head_on_a_Stick's standards - but I have wifi. Good.

I think Testing is stable enough for everyday use *if you pay attention when upgrading*

I will. But what to look out for?

but please install the tools that will help you do that - if something doesn't look safe hold off on the upgrade until it does look safe
I run Sid and have apt-listbugs configured to show important and higher bugs instead of the default serious and higher. I get a lot more output but I also get a lot more information

Great. I have installed both.

Do I understand you correctly that they will jump in between e.g.

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apt-get install sl

if sl still had known bugs?

Or do apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges work differently?
Do I have to consult them manually each time when I want to install something?


I have tried now

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apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

and it is not working, same bug as reported here.

But I did not see any warning or anything, before I tried to install it.

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apt-listbugs list flashplugin-nonfree -s all

Ah, that's it.

Oops. Looks like a much more complicated situation now.

[stevepusser]

I haven't heard of Dell pulling this stunt, but many laptop manufacturers have a whitelist of approved wifi chipsets in the "BIOS", so if you swap in one that's not on the list, it still won't work.

Even if you eliminate one firmware blob, you still have to consider that the BIOS/UEFI is a blob, as well as firmware in your hard and any optical drives. USB flash drives also contain non-free firmware.

[stevepusser]

I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of

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inxi -G

Let's just say that if you see gallium and llvmpipe in the output, that's not great.

I've found that with my Skylake 520 and backported kernels, intel drivers, Mesa, and libva on a Jessie base, I can use mpv 0.23 or QMPlay2 with va-api to play even 4K mp4 videos with no measurable extra CPU use--that is, mpv or QMPlay2 sticks at 3% CPU no matter what resolution video I throw at it.

[akrueger]

... apt-listbugs is kinda cool. Doesn't matter how you use apt (command line, aptitude or synaptic) apt-listbugs will pause the upgrade until you tell it to install if it finds a *serious or higher* bug - it will also offer a buncha options. You can read the bug report, pin the previous version so the bug doesn't impact you, all kindsa cool stuff.

Wow, that sounds really comfortable. Nice. Thanks for the hint.

We're not worried about *all* bugs because not all bugs affect everybody (and not all bugs reported are really bugs), but it's a safe bet that serious and higher bugs are ones you'd like to know about

Oh yes, sure, of course.
I am only running the "testing" system to get access to my wifi card, not be a guinea pig

if it doesn't look safe, wait a couple days and it will be

Nice. Patience then

same bug as reported here.

I am wondering whether instead of waiting for bartm ... generating those *.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc could not also simply be automated?



Thanks a lot for all that info.

Last question: That I have installed both is enough? Or do I have to configure anything now?

Thanks.

[akrueger]

... many laptop manufacturers have a whitelist of approved wifi chipsets in the "BIOS", so if you swap in one that's not on the list, it still won't work. ...

What?

I am lacking words for this.

... My project netbook (Atom N270, 2GB, 60GB SSD) has a hacked BIOS because HP whitelisted the WLAN card and the thing refused to boot when I swapped the Broadcom card for an Intel. I got lucky and found a hacked BIOS; the whitelist in mine has been removed and the thing is happier with an Intel wireless card

Well done!

[akrueger]

I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of

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inxi -G

...

Here you go:

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Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5916
           Display Server: X.org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 169x44 Advanced Data: N/A for root

[stevepusser]

I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of

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inxi -G

...

Here you go:

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Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5916
           Display Server: X.org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 169x44 Advanced Data: N/A for root

Don't run inxi as root. In fact, please make it a practice to not run anything as root or with sudo unless it is absolutely necessary.

[akrueger]

Gonna share one more trick that I had to use today ... synaptic ... Custom Filters ... "Marked Changes", go over to the right pane, deselect chromium for installation and run the upgrade.

Great, thanks!

[akrueger]

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inxi -G

Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5916
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.05hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2) GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.2

[akrueger]

Got his PM, the publicly interesting part I am answering here:

Hello there,

I came across your thread because I just purchased Inspiron 13. ...

However, I must say, reading your posts, I am little lost when you talk about compiling latest kernel, trying various options to get debian working.

Can you please put some step by step information to get debian install to full working desktop for this particular laptop?

...

Use the USB port on the RIGHT side of the keyboard, that is USB2, see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=633775#p633775


In the end, I followed wizard10000's suggestion (actually mentioned by Head_on_a_Stick for the 1st time) to try out debian stretch (testing).
I am not 100% convinced it will become my system now, and had little time recently to test it further, but it seems to be running well so far.

This is really helpful:

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apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges reportbug

It stops when trying to install packages with known bugs, on the CLI apt-get as well as in synaptic, very comfortable.


Debian Testing comes with kernel4.8 so for me no need to compile my own kernel.

Other than that, the above thread contains many interesting aspects, but I think this is the summary - or not?

[akrueger]

P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me

[theteju]

Update:
I had to disable "secure boot" and Enable "Legacy boot" from the bios settings (pressing F2 on Dell machine) in order to boot from usb. (hope that helps someone).

P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me

I have not installed any system yet but it looks like, on USB live image, everything worked out of the box on my machine.
I checked the "uname -a" the linux distro I had on USB has kernel 4.6.0 something.
even right button below touchpad works out of the box. wireless card, Touch screen works. That is all I have tested so far.

Thanks.