4K on Debian Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) only 2048 x

[akrueger]

EDIT: This thread started off with a USB conundrum, but evolved into a general problem solving thread how to install a fully functioning Debian / free OS on the relatively new "Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5" (similar to this 13-5378).

Chronological history of thread titles:

• debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso fails to work on USBstick
• deb-8.6.0-DVD-1.iso fails on USB3 on Dell 13-5378 (SOLVED)
• Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howto?
• Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
• Debian Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) right mouse button - unsolved
• 4K on Debian Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) only 2048 x 1152 not 4k - unsolved

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fresh installation --> "Detect and mount CDROM"

Error messages:

• ... your installation CDROM couldn't be mounted ... CDROM not in the drive ...
• ... does not seem to contain a valid Release file
• ... error reading from the CDROM ... failed to copy from CDROM ...

This is what I have done:

• downloaded debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
• used win32DiskImager to burn it to a USB stick
• booted the "Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5" (Dell 13-5378) with pressing F12, chose boot from usbstick
• tried out all the different possibilities (graphical install, expert install, ...)
• used below commands, and tried again to read from that fake "cdrom"

I've tried these commands in the shell:

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cat /var/logs/syslog

my USB stick seems to be sdb sdb1 sdb2

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mkdir /cdrom
mount /dev/sdb /cdrom
mount -o vfat /dev/sdb /cdrom
mount /dev/sdb1 /cdrom
mount /dev/sdb2 /cdrom

most of them resulted in error messages, like:

• no such file or directory
• invalid argument

(WHY do I have to open a shell at all, for a simple install? Why doesn't the Debian installer notice itself, that it is NOT started from a CDROM, but from a USBSTICK ? )

Next thing I will try when I have time next time ... is using the https://www.debian.org/CD/live/

but perhaps you are sure about the sequence of actions, and commands, which will fix the above userunfriendliness. Or very probably there is already a readme page on debian.org to which you could point me, because I have not been able to find it.

Please help. I really do not want to use ubuntu, if I can avoid it.

Thanks a lot!

[Bulkley]

This should work when you boot the machine. Is your BIOS set to read USB first?

[Head_on_a_Stick]

https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/ ... -isohybrid

[akrueger]

This should work when you boot the machine. Is your BIOS set to read USB first?

Thanks.

I have tried that now. Same effect.

Would have also surprised me, as I had manually chosen (F12) to boot into that stick - and how would the installer know whether I did that manually, or whether the UEFI decided to boot it first?

https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/ ... -isohybrid

Thanks.

Yes I had found that page already.

Which commands do you suggest to me to try out in the (installer) console, to mount the USBstick to pretend it were a CDROM ?

What about letting go of the old word "CDROM" as more and more machines are sold without anyways?

Where is the best place to report his bug?


Thanks.

[Segfault]

Basically the USB stick boots and errors out? I'd say your USB controller is not supported by DVD kernel. Are you using a USB-3 port? Have you tried USB-2?

[akrueger]

I have now successfully installed Ubuntu; all is working, only the sound device is not yet recognized.
Can I perhaps use this Ubuntu Installation to find out more about the machine - which could then help to install Debian?

Basically the USB stick boots and errors out?

Thanks.

Yes.

It boots into the installation procedure, I can choose language, keyboard, etc. - but then the above error messages come when "Detect and mount CDROM".
And the "failed to copy from ..." after I had fiddled in the commandline.

I'd say your USB controller is not supported by DVD kernel. Are you using a USB-3 port? Have you tried USB-2?

Thanks

That was a very good idea.

Yes, now it (that part of the installation) is working.

What an odd situation - the installer itself can be started via USB 3, but the "Mount CDROM ..." cannot.
Perhaps Debian 8.7.0 could take some inspiration from Ubuntu 16.04.1, because it has no such problem.

I am changing the title of this thread.

Where is the "close issue" button * g *

Thanks everyone, very helpful!

[Head_on_a_Stick]

You should try the installer from testing, that will probably support your hardware better:

https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-ins ... 6/20161112

Be aware that this is a beta release and may be broken in other ways.

Perhaps Debian 8.7.0 could take some inspiration from Ubuntu 16.04.1, because it has no such problem.

The release cycle of Debian means that the stable release (jessie) is now pretty old and brand new hardware tends to be poorly supported at this stage.

You would be well advised to carefully consider your future hardware purchases in respect of operating system support

[akrueger]

You should try the installer from testing, that will probably support your hardware better:
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-ins ... 6/20161112

Thanks a lot. Good hint.

Be aware that this is a beta release and may be broken in other ways.

That is not for me then, though.

You should try the installer from testing, that will probably support your hardware better:

Perhaps Debian 8.7.0 could take some inspiration from Ubuntu 16.04.1, because it has no such problem.

The release cycle of Debian means that the stable release (jessie) is now pretty old and brand new hardware tends to be poorly supported at this stage.

That ubuntu 16.04.1 is also July 2016

You would be well advised to carefully consider your future hardware purchases in respect of operating system support

Good point.

That machine however, is popular, and for a reason; it is beautiful, can be extended to 16GB RAM, and just dropped in price again this month. Hard to resist. And as I am buying for 5 or 6 years, I am going for the newest generation.

Would you then perhaps advise to first use Ubuntu for a while, until Debian has caught up with -then not anymore- brand new hardware?


Another idea/question:
Which hardware4linux sites do you know?

I imagine a huge wiki where each mark&model has each one page, and we can all collectively improve the knowledge about which distribution/driver/hack works best on that particular hardware.


Thanks a lot!

[Segfault]

I use cateee.net when configuring my kernels.

[Head_on_a_Stick]

The release cycle of Debian means that the stable release (jessie) is now pretty old and brand new hardware tends to be poorly supported at this stage.

That ubuntu 16.04.1 is also July 2016

I am not sure what is intended by your remark but I would urge you to familiarise yourself further with the Debian development cycle and the priorities of the developers; for example, a fixed, unchanging API is considered far more important than hardware support for brand new devices.

Would you then perhaps advise to first use Ubuntu for a while, until Debian has caught up with -then not anymore- brand new hardware?

Well, I would always recommend Parabola for users who need newer packages, I suppose Arch would do in a pinch if you have a particularly blobby machine...

Anyway, stretch has just entered the "soft freeze" and so should be available as Debian 9.0 sometime in the Autumn (ish).

Which hardware4linux sites do you know?

None.

EDIT: actually, that's a lie

https://wikidevi.com/

I refer to the relevant man pages for details of driver support.

[akrueger]

The release cycle of Debian means that the stable release (jessie) is now pretty old and brand new hardware tends to be poorly supported at this stage.

That ubuntu 16.04.1 is also July 2016

I am not sure what is intended by your remark but I would urge you to familiarise yourself further with the Debian development cycle and the priorities of the developers; for example, a fixed, unchanging API is considered far more important than hardware support for brand new devices.

Makes sense.

Would you then perhaps advise to first use Ubuntu for a while, until Debian has caught up with -then not anymore- brand new hardware?

Well, I would always recommend Parabola for users who need newer packages, I suppose Arch would do in a pinch if you have a particularly blobby machine...

blobby = ?

Parabola, interesting, first time I see this.
As we are using arch in the office, double interesting.

Do these 4.4, 4.7, 4.9 in https://www.parabola.nu/packages/?sort=&q=kernel mean the kernel version number?

I am asking because I probably have an "Intel Wireless 3165" wifi card (very useful page, by the way), and this Intel page says "Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 (starting from firmware XX.XX.13.0 and kernel 4.1)". Which could explain why the Wifi is detected automatically in Ubuntu (kernel 4.4.0), and not in jessie-stable (3.16.0) - is that the right thinking?

... can I simply take that "iwlwifi-7265-ucode-25.30.14.0.tgz" from the Intel page, and my wifi will work?

Anyway, stretch has just entered the "soft freeze" and so should be available as Debian 9.0 sometime in the Autumn (ish).

If I understand the top table on this security-tracker.debian.org correctly, then I have to go for "stretch", to have a kernel above that threshold version 4.1 ? Or could I also only install a newer kernel in jessie-stable?


Alternatively, I could simply buy a different wifi card, right?
Not sure whether unscrewing the laptop could result in possibly loosing my warranty?
The procedure itself does not look difficult.

Which debian compatible, affordable Wifi card do you recommend?

Which hardware4linux sites do you know?

None.
EDIT: actually, that's a lie
https://wikidevi.com/
I refer to the relevant man pages for details of driver support.

Thanks.

I use cateee.net when configuring my kernels.

Thanks a lot.

For both sites, I don't really understand yet how to use them, actually.

Thanks a lot, helpful people, very nice!

[akrueger]

P.S.: Yes, I could install Debian Jessie-stable now. Hooray. Thanks for your help! Next problem to solve: Wifi.

[Head_on_a_Stick]

blobby = ?

I was referring to any non-free firmware that may be required by your hardware, see here for details:

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

One of the reasons I use Debian is because they supply a "de-blobbed" kernel and clearly separate the non-free software in the repositories but I appreciate that not everybody shares my political views

Parabola, interesting, first time I see this.
As we are using arch in the office, double interesting.

Parabola is to Arch as Debian is to Ubuntu, at least in respect of non-free software.

Or could I also only install a newer kernel in jessie-stable?

Yes:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1257

Which debian compatible, affordable Wifi card do you recommend?

I can make no personal recommendations, sorry, I am seldom in the position to be able to buy hardware

Atheros cards are OK and require no non-free firmware, apparently.

For more, ask Mother startpage.

[akrueger]

blobby = ?

I was referring to any non-free firmware that may be required by your hardware, see here for details:
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
One of the reasons I use Debian is because they supply a "de-blobbed" kernel and clearly separate the non-free software in the repositories but I appreciate that not everybody shares my political views

I see.

I might be a bit older, i.e. partly disillusioned. But I am definitely willing to learn and do what is possible.
However, not more. So if there is no alternative to biting into a sour apple, I will

Thanks for your pointers into freedom! Just updated tribler, haven't used that in a long time, downloading the Parabola torrent as we speak.

Parabola, interesting, first time I see this.
As we are using arch in the office, double interesting.

Parabola is to Arch as Debian is to Ubuntu, at least in respect of non-free software.

Got it.

So Parabola has newer kernels (than Debian).
But is there a way to find out before, whether parabola supports above mentioned wifi card?

Or could I also only install a newer kernel in jessie-stable?

Yes:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1257

Without wifi, nor ethernet (one drawback of that beautiful machine)? Quite a stunt, I imagine.

Atheros cards are OK and require no non-free firmware, apparently.
For more, ask Mother startpage.

Thanks. That route is my second choice (even though they seem to be really affordable). First I wanna try the software solution path.

Which debian compatible, affordable Wifi card do you recommend?

I can make no personal recommendations, sorry, I am seldom in the position to be able to buy hardware

Sounds dire. What about I send you mBTC as a thank you, which you can use as starting capital, and you learn leverage trading at e.g. https://www.bitmex.com ?

[Head_on_a_Stick]

So Parabola has newer kernels (than Debian).
But is there a way to find out before, whether parabola supports above mentioned wifi card?

Load up the "live" ISO image and check the ouput of `ip link` & `lspci`

Or could I also only install a newer kernel in jessie-stable?

Yes:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1257

Without wifi, nor ethernet (one drawback of that beautiful machine)? Quite a stunt, I imagine.

Indeed

The standard technique is to use whichever device you are posting here with to download the relevant .deb files [1] and then transfer them to your Debian box and install them with gdebi.

What about I send you mBTC as a thank you, which you can use as starting capital, and you learn leverage trading at e.g. https://www.bitmex.com ?

You are very kind but I must respectfully refuse your offer and instead ask that you make a donation on my behalf, either to Debian or to a cat charity of your choice

[1] http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool ... +1_all.deb & http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/ma ... _amd64.deb & http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool ... _amd64.deb

[akrueger]

check the ouput of `ip link` & `lspci`

Or could I also only install a newer kernel in jessie-stable?

Yes: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1257
The standard technique is to use whichever device you are posting here with to download the relevant .deb files [1] and then transfer them to your Debian box and install them with gdebi.
[1] http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool ... +1_all.deb & http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/ma ... _amd64.deb & http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool ... _amd64.deb

Fantastic, thanks.
The standard won't load anymore (gets stuck on black screen with cursor at top left), but the "4.8.0 recovery mode" is booting into a shell. So I thought perhaps I get the wlan going from there, and then install a newer kernel via apt (instead of / additional to those 3 gdebi files)

But this is what I can see:

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lspci
Network Controller: Intel Corporation  Device 3165 (rev 79)

ip link
... link/loopback ...

So my device seems to get recognized, but

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iw dev 

shows nothing. So there is no wlan0 (wlp1s0) device, yet.

Tried the Parabola live system: Exactly the same as above.

Back to ubuntu:

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lspci
Network Controller: Intel Corporation  Device 3165 (rev 79)

iw dev
phy#0   ...
            Interface wlp1s0 ...
                               channel 6 (2437 MHz) ...
   
ip link
1: lo ...
2: wlp1s0 ... state UP

So ... ?

[Head_on_a_Stick]

If we could see the full output of this command from the Ubuntu system:

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lspci -nn

Then we can access just how "bad" your hardware is in respect of freedom (as in speech).

https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI

[akrueger]

You are very kind but I must respectfully refuse your offer and instead ask that you make a donation on my behalf, either to Debian or to a cat charity of your choice

If you love cats so much ... why not. Personally I'd prefer to give to (you or) a Linux related charity.

I have searched around, but debian.org donations has no Bitcoin address - here are some 2014 arguments why it could be a good idea, but they did not seem interested. Actually, linuxmint does give a Bitcoin address (and a mintcoin address) for donations - but I guess that is a completely different animal for you, right?

[akrueger]

If we could see the full output of this command from the Ubuntu system:

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lspci -nn

https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI

Thanks. When ubuntu was working I had already stored some hardware info and benchmarking tools (hardinfo, I-Nex, lshw, ...). But now to this specific one:

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00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:5904] (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:5916] (rev 02)
00:04.0 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Skylake Processor Thermal Subsystem [8086:1903] (rev 02)
00:13.0 Non-VGA unclassified device [0000]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d35] (rev 21)
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI Controller [8086:9d2f] (rev 21)
00:14.2 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP Thermal subsystem [8086:9d31] (rev 21)
00:15.0 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller [8086:9d60] (rev 21)
00:15.1 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller [8086:9d61] (rev 21)
00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP CSME HECI [8086:9d3a] (rev 21)
00:17.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [8086:9d03] (rev 21)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port [8086:9d14] (rev f1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d58] (rev 21)
00:1f.2 Memory controller [0580]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP PMC [8086:9d21] (rev 21)
00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d71] (rev 21)
00:1f.4 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP SMBus [8086:9d23] (rev 21)
01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3165 [8086:3165] (rev 79)

Then we can access just how "bad" your hardware is in respect of freedom (as in speech).

So how bad is it, Doctor?

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Not too bad, actually

The only "offender" is the wireless card and we already knew that.

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Dual_Ba ... 3165NGW%29

https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi