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Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
Off topic :
Why try to push bitcoin so hard
Why try to push bitcoin so hard
So why keep pushing it ? Please reply in the new thread on the offtopic forum.H_O_A_S > You are very kind but I must respectfully refuse your offer and instead ask that you make a donation on my behalf, either to Debian or to a cat charity of your choice
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
Very happy.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Not too bad, actually
Great info sites, thanks.Head_on_a_Stick wrote: The only "offender" is the wireless card and we already knew that.
https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Dual_Ba ... 3165NGW%29
https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
If that is the "only offender", I see these options, correct me if I am wrong:
- replace the offender by a different (modern but freesoftware) wifi card, for a few $ (which one is the best ... anyone?)
- for the time being just add a (modern but freesoftware) USB wifi stick (which one is the best ... anyone?) [IDEA]
- succeed installing a non-free wifi driver, when I succeed installing a backports kernel - right?
- get to know Ubuntu a bit better, until autumn Debian 9.0
[IDEA] Good that I typed the above - I have found a (possibly old enough) USB wifi stick in my RaspberryPi stuff now - it is a
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Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
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SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot allocate memory
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(process:1812): libnm-glib-WARNING **: async_got_type: could not read properties for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/10: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist
Error: Connection activation failed: Creating object for path '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/10' failed in libnm-glib.
Thanks, wizard10000.wizard10000 wrote:That laptop uses an Intel wireless chipset (the spousal unit has the 15" version of this laptop) but you need either a Testing install or a backported kernel and firmware-iwlwifi from non-free to make wireless work - Jessie is just too old for a laptop this new.
So you don't think if we solve the wifi problem, all the other things will just work fine, even on Jessie?
My first impression is that they do - even the touchscreen is just working fine.
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
Fantastic. I have done that now, and it is running. Thanks!wizard10000 wrote:I'd install Stretch and just make sure apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges was installed. Your best shot at a successful install is going to be this image -
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unof ... etinst.iso ...
With a nonfree device driver for wifi, so not up to Head_on_a_Stick's standards - but I have wifi. Good.
I will. But what to look out for?wizard10000 wrote:I think Testing is stable enough for everyday use *if you pay attention when upgrading*
Great. I have installed both.wizard10000 wrote:but please install the tools that will help you do that - if something doesn't look safe hold off on the upgrade until it does look safe
I run Sid and have apt-listbugs configured to show important and higher bugs instead of the default serious and higher. I get a lot more output but I also get a lot more information
Do I understand you correctly that they will jump in between e.g.
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Or do apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges work differently?
Do I have to consult them manually each time when I want to install something?
I have tried now
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Oops. Looks like a much more complicated situation now.
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Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
I haven't heard of Dell pulling this stunt, but many laptop manufacturers have a whitelist of approved wifi chipsets in the "BIOS", so if you swap in one that's not on the list, it still won't work.
Even if you eliminate one firmware blob, you still have to consider that the BIOS/UEFI is a blob, as well as firmware in your hard and any optical drives. USB flash drives also contain non-free firmware.
Even if you eliminate one firmware blob, you still have to consider that the BIOS/UEFI is a blob, as well as firmware in your hard and any optical drives. USB flash drives also contain non-free firmware.
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Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of
Let's just say that if you see gallium and llvmpipe in the output, that's not great.
I've found that with my Skylake 520 and backported kernels, intel drivers, Mesa, and libva on a Jessie base, I can use mpv 0.23 or QMPlay2 with va-api to play even 4K mp4 videos with no measurable extra CPU use--that is, mpv or QMPlay2 sticks at 3% CPU no matter what resolution video I throw at it.
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I've found that with my Skylake 520 and backported kernels, intel drivers, Mesa, and libva on a Jessie base, I can use mpv 0.23 or QMPlay2 with va-api to play even 4K mp4 videos with no measurable extra CPU use--that is, mpv or QMPlay2 sticks at 3% CPU no matter what resolution video I throw at it.
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Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
Wow, that sounds really comfortable. Nice. Thanks for the hint.wizard10000 wrote: ... apt-listbugs is kinda cool. Doesn't matter how you use apt (command line, aptitude or synaptic) apt-listbugs will pause the upgrade until you tell it to install if it finds a *serious or higher* bug - it will also offer a buncha options. You can read the bug report, pin the previous version so the bug doesn't impact you, all kindsa cool stuff.
Oh yes, sure, of course.wizard10000 wrote:We're not worried about *all* bugs because not all bugs affect everybody (and not all bugs reported are really bugs), but it's a safe bet that serious and higher bugs are ones you'd like to know about
I am only running the "testing" system to get access to my wifi card, not be a guinea pig
Nice. Patience thenwizard10000 wrote: if it doesn't look safe, wait a couple days and it will be
I am wondering whether instead of waiting for bartm ... generating those *.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc could not also simply be automated?akrueger wrote: same bug as reported here.
Thanks a lot for all that info.
Last question: That I have installed both is enough? Or do I have to configure anything now?
Thanks.
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Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
What?stevepusser wrote:... many laptop manufacturers have a whitelist of approved wifi chipsets in the "BIOS", so if you swap in one that's not on the list, it still won't work. ...
I am lacking words for this.
Well done!wizard10000 wrote:... My project netbook (Atom N270, 2GB, 60GB SSD) has a hacked BIOS because HP whitelisted the WLAN card and the thing refused to boot when I swapped the Broadcom card for an Intel. I got lucky and found a hacked BIOS; the whitelist in mine has been removed and the thing is happier with an Intel wireless cardstevepusser wrote:
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
Here you go:stevepusser wrote:I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of
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Graphics: Card: Intel Device 5916
Display Server: X.org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 169x44 Advanced Data: N/A for root
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Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
Don't run inxi as root. In fact, please make it a practice to not run anything as root or with sudo unless it is absolutely necessary.akrueger wrote:Here you go:stevepusser wrote:I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of
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Graphics: Card: Intel Device 5916 Display Server: X.org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) tty size: 169x44 Advanced Data: N/A for root
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Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
Great, thanks!wizard10000 wrote:Gonna share one more trick that I had to use today ... synaptic ... Custom Filters ... "Marked Changes", go over to the right pane, deselect chromium for installation and run the upgrade.
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
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Graphics: Card: Intel Device 5916
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.05hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2) GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.2
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
Got his PM, the publicly interesting part I am answering here:
In the end, I followed wizard10000's suggestion (actually mentioned by Head_on_a_Stick for the 1st time) to try out debian stretch (testing).
I am not 100% convinced it will become my system now, and had little time recently to test it further, but it seems to be running well so far.
This is really helpful:
It stops when trying to install packages with known bugs, on the CLI apt-get as well as in synaptic, very comfortable.
Debian Testing comes with kernel4.8 so for me no need to compile my own kernel.
Other than that, the above thread contains many interesting aspects, but I think this is the summary - or not?
Use the USB port on the RIGHT side of the keyboard, that is USB2, see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=633775#p633775Hello there,
I came across your thread because I just purchased Inspiron 13. ...
However, I must say, reading your posts, I am little lost when you talk about compiling latest kernel, trying various options to get debian working.
Can you please put some step by step information to get debian install to full working desktop for this particular laptop?
...
In the end, I followed wizard10000's suggestion (actually mentioned by Head_on_a_Stick for the 1st time) to try out debian stretch (testing).
I am not 100% convinced it will become my system now, and had little time recently to test it further, but it seems to be running well so far.
This is really helpful:
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Debian Testing comes with kernel4.8 so for me no need to compile my own kernel.
Other than that, the above thread contains many interesting aspects, but I think this is the summary - or not?
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
Update:
I had to disable "secure boot" and Enable "Legacy boot" from the bios settings (pressing F2 on Dell machine) in order to boot from usb. (hope that helps someone).
I checked the "uname -a" the linux distro I had on USB has kernel 4.6.0 something.
even right button below touchpad works out of the box. wireless card, Touch screen works. That is all I have tested so far.
Thanks.
I had to disable "secure boot" and Enable "Legacy boot" from the bios settings (pressing F2 on Dell machine) in order to boot from usb. (hope that helps someone).
I have not installed any system yet but it looks like, on USB live image, everything worked out of the box on my machine.akrueger wrote:P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me
I checked the "uname -a" the linux distro I had on USB has kernel 4.6.0 something.
even right button below touchpad works out of the box. wireless card, Touch screen works. That is all I have tested so far.
Thanks.
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
Yes, me too.theteju wrote:Update:
I had to disable "secure boot"
I read that is discouraged in case you want to DualBoot Windows.theteju wrote: ... and Enable "Legacy boot" from the bios settings (pressing F2 on Dell machine) in order to boot from usb. (hope that helps someone).
I actually succeeded without "Legacy BIOS"
Great. I am happy for you. Yes, my system works fine too.theteju wrote: I have not installed any system yet but it looks like, on USB live image, everything worked out of the box on my machine.
I checked the "uname -a" the linux distro I had on USB has kernel 4.6.0 something.
even right button below touchpad works out of the box. wireless card, Touch screen works. That is all I have tested so far.
Thanks.
After upgrading, this is my kernel now:
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Linux Dell13-5378 4.9.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.2-2 (2017-01-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux
Getting used to two finger touchpad rightMouse emulation - instead of right mouseclick. Not really nice though. Anyone with ideas?akrueger wrote:P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Dell Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
That sounds as if it could be useful right now, because gcc-6 has a bug, and I cannot dowizard10000 wrote: Gonna share one more trick that I had to use today -
...
Okay, chromium's broke but I want the rest of the upgrades. No easy way to do that with apt, so I fire up synaptic, tell it to mark all upgrades then under Custom Filters, select "Marked Changes", go over to the right pane, deselect chromium for installation and run the upgrade.
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Retrieving bug reports... Done
Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
serious bugs of gcc-6 (6.2.1-5 → 6.3.0-5) <Outstanding>
b1 - #814978 - gcc-6(+gcc-5): gnat paths are wrong due to ada-gcc-name.diff
Summary:
gcc-6(1 bug)
Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...]
So I tried synaptic.
I cannot get your procedure working. I have tried this:
- synaptic
- mark all upgrades
- Marked Changes
- rightClick on 'gcc-6' ... Unmark
- Mark additional required changes? (packagekit, packagekit-tools) ... Mark
- Apply
(Actually, synaptic could be improved: If 'apt-listbugs' is installed (or if it gets stuck, waiting for a user response), then it should automatically open the details tab - to show all such messages. Otherwise - how to know?)
I can just not unselect 'gcc-6' in synaptic. What to do?
EDIT:
Ah, now that was easy. Just pressing 'p' in 'apt upgrade' ... solved it all. Forget synaptic.
At some moment I should probably 'unpin' - right?
Re: Debian on Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) - wifi howt
This I still not have solved.
Anyone with ideas? How to enable the right mouse button?
Getting used to two finger touchpad rightMouse emulation - instead of right mouseclick. Not really nice though.akrueger wrote:P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me
Anyone with ideas? How to enable the right mouse button?
4K screen on Debian Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5)
Got a 4K screen working on Windows, on a Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5).
3840 pixels × 2160 (via HDMI, only 30Hz because 60Hz would need DisplayPort).
Now same hardware, with Debian stretch testing
... I only get a max resolution of 2048 x 1152
My Debian & machine is this:
There is more info about this same machine in this thread.
What to do now? I had the same problem = max resolution of 2048 x 1152 with an older Laptop - that Intel 3000 card just cannot render more pixels. However, this new one has an Intel 620, and as mentioned, I got the full 4K working on Windows. Beautiful. Not gonna live on Windows much longer though - so please help me on Debian now. Thanks.
Thanks a lot!
EDIT: Tried:
Then following some forum thread, I've tried this:
But:
3840 pixels × 2160 (via HDMI, only 30Hz because 60Hz would need DisplayPort).
Now same hardware, with Debian stretch testing
... I only get a max resolution of 2048 x 1152
My Debian & machine is this:
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Linux Dell13-5378 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1 (2017-03-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
inxi -GSM
System: Host: Dell13-5378 Kernel: 4.9.0-2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Cinnamon 3.2.7
Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine: Device: laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 13-5378
Mobo: Dell model: 0P87CH v: A00 UEFI: Dell v: 1.6.1 date: 02/13/2017
Battery BAT0: charge: 36.8 Wh 109.3% condition: 33.7/36.8 Wh (92%)
Graphics: Card: Intel Device 5916
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.05hz, 2048x1152@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2) GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6
What to do now? I had the same problem = max resolution of 2048 x 1152 with an older Laptop - that Intel 3000 card just cannot render more pixels. However, this new one has an Intel 620, and as mentioned, I got the full 4K working on Windows. Beautiful. Not gonna live on Windows much longer though - so please help me on Debian now. Thanks.
Thanks a lot!
EDIT: Tried:
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xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 3840x2160_30.00
xrandr: cannot find mode 3840x2160_30.00
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cvt 3840 2160 30.00
# 3840x2160 29.98 Hz (CVT) hsync: 65.96 kHz; pclk: 338.75 MHz
Modeline "3840x2160_30.00" 338.75 3840 4080 4488 5136 2160 2163 2168 2200 -hsync +vsync
xrandr --newmode "3840x2160_30.00" 338.75 3840 4080 4488 5136 2160 2163 2168 2200 -hsync +vsync
xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 3840x2160_30.00
xrandr
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xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
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Re: 4K on Debian Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) only 204
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