4K on Debian Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5) only 2048 x

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Missed this sorry...

linuxmint does give a Bitcoin address (and a mintcoin address) for donations - but I guess that is a completely different animal for you, right?

Ah yes, definitely no donations to Mint please, they are a commercial concern AFAICT.

[GarryRicketson]

Off topic :

Why try to push bitcoin so hard

H_O_A_S > You are very kind but I must respectfully refuse your offer and instead ask that you make a donation on my behalf, either to Debian or to a cat charity of your choice

So why keep pushing it ? Please reply in the new thread on the offtopic forum.

[akrueger]

Not too bad, actually

Very happy.

The only "offender" is the wireless card and we already knew that.
https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Dual_Ba ... 3165NGW%29
https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi

Great info sites, thanks.

If that is the "only offender", I see these options, correct me if I am wrong:

• replace the offender by a different (modern but freesoftware) wifi card, for a few $ (which one is the best ... anyone?)
• for the time being just add a (modern but freesoftware) USB wifi stick (which one is the best ... anyone?) [IDEA]
• succeed installing a non-free wifi driver, when I succeed installing a backports kernel - right?
• get to know Ubuntu a bit better, until autumn Debian 9.0

[IDEA] Good that I typed the above - I have found a (possibly old enough) USB wifi stick in my RaspberryPi stuff now - it is a

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lsusb
Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter

but I get these errors

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sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot allocate memory

and

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nmcli c up con 

(process:1812): libnm-glib-WARNING **: async_got_type: could not read properties for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/10: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist

Error: Connection activation failed: Creating object for path '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/10' failed in libnm-glib.

That laptop uses an Intel wireless chipset (the spousal unit has the 15" version of this laptop) but you need either a Testing install or a backported kernel and firmware-iwlwifi from non-free to make wireless work - Jessie is just too old for a laptop this new.

Thanks, wizard10000.

So you don't think if we solve the wifi problem, all the other things will just work fine, even on Jessie?
My first impression is that they do - even the touchscreen is just working fine.

[akrueger]

I'd install Stretch and just make sure apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges was installed. Your best shot at a successful install is going to be this image -
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unof ... etinst.iso ...

Fantastic. I have done that now, and it is running. Thanks!

With a nonfree device driver for wifi, so not up to Head_on_a_Stick's standards - but I have wifi. Good.

I think Testing is stable enough for everyday use *if you pay attention when upgrading*

I will. But what to look out for?

but please install the tools that will help you do that - if something doesn't look safe hold off on the upgrade until it does look safe
I run Sid and have apt-listbugs configured to show important and higher bugs instead of the default serious and higher. I get a lot more output but I also get a lot more information

Great. I have installed both.

Do I understand you correctly that they will jump in between e.g.

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apt-get install sl

if sl still had known bugs?

Or do apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges work differently?
Do I have to consult them manually each time when I want to install something?


I have tried now

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apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

and it is not working, same bug as reported here.

But I did not see any warning or anything, before I tried to install it.

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apt-listbugs list flashplugin-nonfree -s all

Ah, that's it.

Oops. Looks like a much more complicated situation now.

[stevepusser]

I haven't heard of Dell pulling this stunt, but many laptop manufacturers have a whitelist of approved wifi chipsets in the "BIOS", so if you swap in one that's not on the list, it still won't work.

Even if you eliminate one firmware blob, you still have to consider that the BIOS/UEFI is a blob, as well as firmware in your hard and any optical drives. USB flash drives also contain non-free firmware.

[stevepusser]

I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of

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inxi -G

Let's just say that if you see gallium and llvmpipe in the output, that's not great.

I've found that with my Skylake 520 and backported kernels, intel drivers, Mesa, and libva on a Jessie base, I can use mpv 0.23 or QMPlay2 with va-api to play even 4K mp4 videos with no measurable extra CPU use--that is, mpv or QMPlay2 sticks at 3% CPU no matter what resolution video I throw at it.

[akrueger]

... apt-listbugs is kinda cool. Doesn't matter how you use apt (command line, aptitude or synaptic) apt-listbugs will pause the upgrade until you tell it to install if it finds a *serious or higher* bug - it will also offer a buncha options. You can read the bug report, pin the previous version so the bug doesn't impact you, all kindsa cool stuff.

Wow, that sounds really comfortable. Nice. Thanks for the hint.

We're not worried about *all* bugs because not all bugs affect everybody (and not all bugs reported are really bugs), but it's a safe bet that serious and higher bugs are ones you'd like to know about

Oh yes, sure, of course.
I am only running the "testing" system to get access to my wifi card, not be a guinea pig

if it doesn't look safe, wait a couple days and it will be

Nice. Patience then

same bug as reported here.

I am wondering whether instead of waiting for bartm ... generating those *.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc could not also simply be automated?



Thanks a lot for all that info.

Last question: That I have installed both is enough? Or do I have to configure anything now?

Thanks.

[akrueger]

... many laptop manufacturers have a whitelist of approved wifi chipsets in the "BIOS", so if you swap in one that's not on the list, it still won't work. ...

What?

I am lacking words for this.

... My project netbook (Atom N270, 2GB, 60GB SSD) has a hacked BIOS because HP whitelisted the WLAN card and the thing refused to boot when I swapped the Broadcom card for an Intel. I got lucky and found a hacked BIOS; the whitelist in mine has been removed and the thing is happier with an Intel wireless card

Well done!

[akrueger]

I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of

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inxi -G

...

Here you go:

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Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5916
           Display Server: X.org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 169x44 Advanced Data: N/A for root

[stevepusser]

I'm also interested if you're getting full graphics acceleration with that Skylake graphics chipset, since there is some firmware for those devices in the nonfree section. One way to check that is to install inxi and post the output of

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inxi -G

...

Here you go:

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Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5916
           Display Server: X.org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 169x44 Advanced Data: N/A for root

Don't run inxi as root. In fact, please make it a practice to not run anything as root or with sudo unless it is absolutely necessary.

[akrueger]

Gonna share one more trick that I had to use today ... synaptic ... Custom Filters ... "Marked Changes", go over to the right pane, deselect chromium for installation and run the upgrade.

Great, thanks!

[akrueger]

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inxi -G

Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5916
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.0 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.05hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2) GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.2

[akrueger]

Got his PM, the publicly interesting part I am answering here:

Hello there,

I came across your thread because I just purchased Inspiron 13. ...

However, I must say, reading your posts, I am little lost when you talk about compiling latest kernel, trying various options to get debian working.

Can you please put some step by step information to get debian install to full working desktop for this particular laptop?

...

Use the USB port on the RIGHT side of the keyboard, that is USB2, see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=633775#p633775


In the end, I followed wizard10000's suggestion (actually mentioned by Head_on_a_Stick for the 1st time) to try out debian stretch (testing).
I am not 100% convinced it will become my system now, and had little time recently to test it further, but it seems to be running well so far.

This is really helpful:

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apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges reportbug

It stops when trying to install packages with known bugs, on the CLI apt-get as well as in synaptic, very comfortable.


Debian Testing comes with kernel4.8 so for me no need to compile my own kernel.

Other than that, the above thread contains many interesting aspects, but I think this is the summary - or not?

[akrueger]

P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me

[theteju]

Update:
I had to disable "secure boot" and Enable "Legacy boot" from the bios settings (pressing F2 on Dell machine) in order to boot from usb. (hope that helps someone).

P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me

I have not installed any system yet but it looks like, on USB live image, everything worked out of the box on my machine.
I checked the "uname -a" the linux distro I had on USB has kernel 4.6.0 something.
even right button below touchpad works out of the box. wireless card, Touch screen works. That is all I have tested so far.

Thanks.

[akrueger]

Update:
I had to disable "secure boot"

Yes, me too.

... and Enable "Legacy boot" from the bios settings (pressing F2 on Dell machine) in order to boot from usb. (hope that helps someone).

I read that is discouraged in case you want to DualBoot Windows.
I actually succeeded without "Legacy BIOS"

I have not installed any system yet but it looks like, on USB live image, everything worked out of the box on my machine.
I checked the "uname -a" the linux distro I had on USB has kernel 4.6.0 something.
even right button below touchpad works out of the box. wireless card, Touch screen works. That is all I have tested so far.
Thanks.

Great. I am happy for you. Yes, my system works fine too.

After upgrading, this is my kernel now:

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uname -a
Linux Dell13-5378 4.9.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.2-2 (2017-01-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux

This I still not have solved.

P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me

Getting used to two finger touchpad rightMouse emulation - instead of right mouseclick. Not really nice though. Anyone with ideas?

[akrueger]

Gonna share one more trick that I had to use today -
...
Okay, chromium's broke but I want the rest of the upgrades. No easy way to do that with apt, so I fire up synaptic, tell it to mark all upgrades then under Custom Filters, select "Marked Changes", go over to the right pane, deselect chromium for installation and run the upgrade.
...

That sounds as if it could be useful right now, because gcc-6 has a bug, and I cannot do

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apt upgrade

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...
Retrieving bug reports... Done
Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
serious bugs of gcc-6 (6.2.1-5 → 6.3.0-5) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #814978 - gcc-6(+gcc-5): gnat paths are wrong due to ada-gcc-name.diff
Summary:
 gcc-6(1 bug)
Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] 

If I answer that with 'n' then nothing gets upgraded. But I do not dare to answer 'y'.

So I tried synaptic.

I cannot get your procedure working. I have tried this:

• synaptic
• mark all upgrades
• Marked Changes
• rightClick on 'gcc-6' ... Unmark
• Mark additional required changes? (packagekit, packagekit-tools) ... Mark
• Apply

The 'Applying changes ... Installing software ...' dialogue shows the exact same message as above.

(Actually, synaptic could be improved: If 'apt-listbugs' is installed (or if it gets stuck, waiting for a user response), then it should automatically open the details tab - to show all such messages. Otherwise - how to know?)


I can just not unselect 'gcc-6' in synaptic. What to do?


EDIT:
Ah, now that was easy. Just pressing 'p' in 'apt upgrade' ... solved it all. Forget synaptic.
At some moment I should probably 'unpin' - right?

[akrueger]

This I still not have solved.

P.S.: When you find out, how to switch on the right mouse button below the touchpad, please tell me

Getting used to two finger touchpad rightMouse emulation - instead of right mouseclick. Not really nice though.

Anyone with ideas? How to enable the right mouse button?

[akrueger]

Got a 4K screen working on Windows, on a Dell 13-5378 (Inspiron 13 5000 i5).
3840 pixels × 2160 (via HDMI, only 30Hz because 60Hz would need DisplayPort).

Now same hardware, with Debian stretch testing
... I only get a max resolution of 2048 x 1152

My Debian & machine is this:

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uname -a
Linux Dell13-5378 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1 (2017-03-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux

inxi -GSM
System:    Host: Dell13-5378 Kernel: 4.9.0-2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Cinnamon 3.2.7
           Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine:   Device: laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 13-5378
           Mobo: Dell model: 0P87CH v: A00 UEFI: Dell v: 1.6.1 date: 02/13/2017
Battery    BAT0: charge: 36.8 Wh 109.3% condition: 33.7/36.8 Wh (92%)
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5916
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.05hz, 2048x1152@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2) GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6

There is more info about this same machine in this thread.


What to do now? I had the same problem = max resolution of 2048 x 1152 with an older Laptop - that Intel 3000 card just cannot render more pixels. However, this new one has an Intel 620, and as mentioned, I got the full 4K working on Windows. Beautiful. Not gonna live on Windows much longer though - so please help me on Debian now. Thanks.

Thanks a lot!



EDIT: Tried:

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xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 3840x2160_30.00
xrandr: cannot find mode 3840x2160_30.00

Then following some forum thread, I've tried this:

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cvt 3840 2160 30.00
# 3840x2160 29.98 Hz (CVT) hsync: 65.96 kHz; pclk: 338.75 MHz
Modeline "3840x2160_30.00"  338.75  3840 4080 4488 5136  2160 2163 2168 2200 -hsync +vsync

xrandr --newmode "3840x2160_30.00"  338.75  3840 4080 4488 5136  2160 2163 2168 2200 -hsync +vsync
xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 3840x2160_30.00
xrandr

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xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 3840x2160_30.00
xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed

[GarryRicketson]

Please do not cross post,..
The topic you stared here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 72#p644752
is the same as the post here, it appears you copied/pasted
it into another topic/category.


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