Is the hammer a solution?

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Is the hammer a solution?

Postby debie » 2017-04-26 14:27

I'm beginning to think it is the *only* solution.

I have a PC which came with Windows 8.1 pre-installed. I attempted to install ubuntu but it for some reason didn't "take". It seemed to install okay, but the computer does *not* automatically boot. I can make the computer start it, by selecting it in a menu at startup (this is *not* the usual graphical menu one gets when ubuntu is properly installed - perhaps the standard MS loader but I can't be sure about that).

So to hell with ubuntu, I really can't stand it much more than Windows anyway.

I've tried two methods. First I downloaded the AMD64 DVD "live" iso, burned that to a DVD, and rebooted via Windows' UEFI thing. Except it didn't. The DVD simply didn't boot. The computer sat there a while, then booted into Windows as usual.

So I downloaded a minimal CD version. Same story, pretty much, except now Windows refuses to show the DVD/CD device in the list of boot candidates, so I can't use that. To be clear, the "BIOS" says the device can be used to boot from, it's Windows that is choosing to not let me use it.

Any alternatives short of a hammer? :evil:
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby phenest » 2017-04-26 15:18

Your "solution" depends on what you're going to use the hammer on: the computer or yourself.

It sounds to me like the first installation you did was actually successful as you said you could boot from it albeit manually. The problem is probably EFI booting. To be honest, I wish I never did it that way on my computers. It's a headache, and takes a while to understand how it works and how to install an OS.

My advice would be to disable EFI booting in the BIOS (enable Legacy?), and start again.

And don't touch the hammer!
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby debie » 2017-04-26 15:26

Would you perhaps like to tell me why you think that is relevant, arochester, instead of expecting me to read your mind?
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby debie » 2017-04-26 15:27

phenest wrote:My advice would be to disable EFI booting in the BIOS (enable Legacy?), and start again.

But I would really much rather have Debian than Ubuntu.

Do you mean SafeBoot? It is disabled.
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby phenest » 2017-04-26 16:16

I meant start again, but with Debian.

In your BIOS there should be something called Secure Boot (which is what arochester was referring to), which you should disable, and something called Legacy booting which you should enable. Legacy booting might be called something else like CSM. Or, instead of enabling Legacy, it might have EFI booting which you should disable.

Then try installing Debian.
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-04-26 16:19

Is the hammer a solution?

No
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Sorry, I just couldn't resist :mrgreen:
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby phenest » 2017-04-26 16:20

debie wrote:Do you mean SafeBoot? It is disabled.

I guess that could be the same as Secure Boot. Each vendor words things slightly differently.
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby debie » 2017-04-26 16:31

phenest wrote:
debie wrote:Do you mean SafeBoot? It is disabled.

I guess that could be the same as Secure Boot. Each vendor words things slightly differently.

Sorry, I meant Secure Boot. It's been a long, frustrating day.
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby debie » 2017-04-26 16:34

GarryRicketson wrote:
Is the hammer a solution?

No
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Sorry, I just couldn't resist :mrgreen:

It's spot on :lol:
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby stevepusser » 2017-04-26 16:46

The live ISOs are not currently compatible with UEFI--that's in the documentation, or easily found out with a web search.

Perhaps it will help us to help you to list exactly what your computer setup has regarding UEFI and Secure Boot status. Or maybe try a Debian derivative that makes running and installing a live ISO a bit easier for a total beginner?
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby acewiza » 2017-04-27 16:18

debie wrote:Would you perhaps like to tell me why you think that is relevant, arochester, instead of expecting me to read your mind?

I believe he expected you to read the information offered and decide for yourself what may or may not be relevant to your particular situation.

The dearth of details available in this case makes mind reading more of a task objective pointing towards you. :roll:
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby dasein » 2017-04-27 16:36

stevepusser wrote:Or maybe try a Debian derivative that makes running and installing a live ISO a bit easier for a total beginner?

+1

I find myself increasingly unsympathetic to beginners who try to install a distro more suitable for intermediate users (Debian) and then complain about how frustrating it is.

"Linux From Scratch is sooooo hard to install," cries the newbie. WFW.

Compared to most other distros, Debian requires more effort in terms of installation and configuration. It just does. Either (a) embrace that as a feature or (b) treat it as an unavoidable annoyance or (c) pick a different distro.
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby edbarx » 2017-04-27 17:27

I found EFI booting is much simpler than legacy boot. Yes, it took me about a week to figure out how to create and fill a new EFI System Partition (FAT32), as there were none, and I couldn't make legacy boot work on a GPT formatted disk.
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Re: Is the hammer a solution?

Postby Lysander » 2017-04-27 18:47

dasein wrote:
stevepusser wrote:Or maybe try a Debian derivative that makes running and installing a live ISO a bit easier for a total beginner?

+1

I find myself increasingly unsympathetic to beginners who try to install a distro more suitable for intermediate users (Debian) and then complain about how frustrating it is.

"Linux From Scratch is sooooo hard to install," cries the newbie. WFW.

Compared to most other distros, Debian requires more effort in terms of installation and configuration. It just does. Either (a) embrace that as a feature or (b) treat it as an unavoidable annoyance or (c) pick a different distro.


If the OP is a total beginner Debian is indeed not the way to go. I only started using Linux in February myself but started with Ubuntu which is much friendlier [and recommended]. I wanted to start with Debian but there were too many things I didn't understand. Only after sitting down and ploughing through my difficulties a couple of weeks ago [over several hours] do I now have a Debian install that works exactly like I want [well, 99%], and this success was helped by the knowledge I gained through using Ubuntu, from the Ubuntu forums, in Mint and on here. It would be much better for the OP to go with Ubuntu/Mint, which are both excellent in their own rights, adjust to them, learn with them/from them and then move on if necessary.
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