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Mozila Upgrade

Postby kepler19 » 2017-11-12 15:21

Hello Bros,

I put that on source list: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/stretch-backports firefox-esr to get new version, mine is 52.4, and have such error:


: The repository 'http://mozilla.debian.net stretch-backports Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
E: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/stretch ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.62 80]
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.


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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby Thorny » 2017-11-12 15:44

kepler19 wrote:I put that on source list: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/stretch-backports firefox-esr to get new version, mine is 52.4, and have such error:
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If you go to http://mozilla.debian.net/, you will see that there is no stretch-backports directory there and further information that probably will assist you.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby kepler19 » 2017-11-12 16:43

Thanks. I saw it. why they not working for new release? what happend?
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2017-11-16 14:46

^There is a clear explanation written if you click on the link. Package rust is not present in Stretch and that is needed for newer versions of Firefox release. There are ways to install it on Stretch, but you shpuld stick to ESR or Chrome/Chromium if you're new to Debian.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby Number3124 » 2017-11-20 05:54

Is anyone working to add this to Debian? Firefox is a very popular browser (I'm writing this post in it in fact), and I'd imagine there's quite the demand for the new version of it.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby steve_v » 2017-11-20 06:13

Number3124 wrote:I'd imagine there's quite the demand for the new version of it.

Perhaps, though I've been rolling back this unwanted breaks-all-my-addons update in favour of ESR rather a lot recently...
What's the big deal? FF ESR is still supported and works just fine, do you need something in 57?
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-11-20 06:36

FF v57 is available in unstable so run a sid system, it's never boring :twisted:
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby IzayoiFlandre » 2017-11-20 07:35

Eh.
FF 52 ESR works fine and will get security updates until the middle of 2018. Much more convenient then having to upgrade to a new version number every six weeks. Besides, I don't like the way Quantum's look is a lot like Edge's.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby steve_v » 2017-11-20 08:05

IzayoiFlandre wrote:Quantum's look is a lot like Edge's.
Really don't see why everything has to ape the Windows 10 UI, it's horrible.
Really wish Firefox would follow system UI themes properly instead of switching to whatever is cool in Windows-land at the time.
I didn't like the last UI overhaul, and I like this one even less. Why do we need it anyway? The UI works fine Mozilla, leave it alone.

Getting a bit over Firefox at the moment TBH. I've used it since 1.0, but this recent non-ssl nagging, addon-breaking, UI changing, ALSA support dropping, system file dialog not-using Shiny New Shit is getting pretty annoying.
If I can't make Quantum not look like Edge when 52 looses support, I'm finding a new browser. Ditto if I have to jump through hoops to run not-mozilla-vetted addons.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby Ardouos » 2017-11-20 13:58

I too will stick with ESR until its demise on Stretch next year.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby IzayoiFlandre » 2017-11-21 06:50

What alternatives are we looking at? ^.^
I'm thinking of Qupzilla but that is being pushed out soon for the KDE Falkon project.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby Ardouos » 2017-11-21 08:48

IzayoiFlandre wrote:What alternatives are we looking at? ^.^
I'm thinking of Qupzilla but that is being pushed out soon for the KDE Falkon project.

Plenty to choose from, you can still use Firefox from their website. You just extract the contents to your home drive or /opt. No compiling needed.

Qupzilla is still a reasonable choice but getting a bit old (we could hope for a backport).

Palemoon is a great browser the stevepusser has backported for the Debian community.

Waterfox is an honourable mention too, I have not used it though.

Obviously, there is Chromium too.

I would mention Midori, but I doubt that it actually is maintained anymore, someone can correct me if I am wrong.

There are plenty of browsers out there, it is just finding what is best for user preference. :)
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby steve_v » 2017-11-21 09:26

Ardouos wrote:Palemoon is a great browser the stevepusser has backported for the Debian community.
Palemoon is pretty awesome, but it's also based on a very old Firefox.
Not sure if I like it enough to use as my primary browser, but it may be the best option available.

Ardouos wrote:Waterfox is an honourable mention too, I have not used it though.
I'm tempted by this, particularly because:
Features
Disabled Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) :D
Removed Pocket :D
Removed Telemetry :)
Removed data collection :)
Allow running of all 64-Bit NPAPI plugins :)
Allow running of unsigned extensions :D
Removal of Sponsored Tiles on New Tab Page :D

And it's built from a Firefox base that isn't several years old. Might be a double edged sword though, as it's likely to get the annoying changes in FF 57 soon enough. Alas there's no up to date Debian compatible repo. Yet.

Ardouos wrote:Qupzilla is still a reasonable choice but getting a bit old... I would mention Midori, but I doubt that it actually is maintained anymore, someone can correct me if I am wrong.
And herein lies the problem with all the "non-mainstream" browsers, as far as i can tell. There are plenty of them, but they're all abandoned, in the process of being abandoned / reworked, still in beta, or terribly behind in standards support & features.
Konqueror was amazing, then it was left to rot. I'm hoping the same doesn't happen to Qupzilla, but this sounds awfully like the same thing over again.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby kepler19 » 2017-11-21 12:02

I am happy with my 52 ESR but i am asking is it safe? because there are so many versions released to 57.
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Re: Mozila Upgrade

Postby Ardouos » 2017-11-21 12:31

kepler19 wrote:I am happy with my 52 ESR but i am asking is it safe? because there are so many versions released to 57.

ESR is an acronym for Extended Support Release. This means that the browser receives security updates over a long period of time compared to standard releases.

The benefits of this is stability, compatibility and no changes with the visual interface.
The negatives are that no new features or performance enhancements.

Debian normally moves to the next ESR as soon as the current ESR has become EOL. The problem is that the next version of ESR requires rust, and Stretch does not have this package in the repos. So Firefox in Wheezy/ Jessie/ Stretch will not move to the next ESR when 52 becomes EOL.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/o ... tions/faq/

TL:DR - Yes, it is safe until June 2018
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