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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-15 22:09

stevepusser wrote:On either a Live session or a working Cinnamon desktop, can you pleeeeeeeaaaase install inxi and give us the results of "inxi -Fxxz" in the terminal, so we have some idea of what hardware we have to deal with?


Here you are Brother

System:
Host: justicia-pc Kernel: 5.3.0-2-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 9.2.1 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.2.4 wm: muffin dm: LightDM
Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 81N6 v: Lenovo IdeaPad C340-14API
serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 10 v: Lenovo IdeaPad C340-14API
serial: <filter>
Mobo: LENOVO model: LNVNB161216 v: SDK0J40700 WIN serial: <filter>
UEFI: LENOVO v: AGCN23WW(V1.06) date: 08/26/2019
Battery:
ID-1: BAT1 charge: 45.0 Wh condition: 45.0/45.0 Wh (100%) volts: 17.5/15.4
model: LENOVO PABAS0241231 serial: <filter> status: Full
CPU:
Topology: Quad Core model: AMD Ryzen 5 3500U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen+ rev: 1 L1 cache: 384 KiB
L2 cache: 2048 KiB L3 cache: 4096 KiB
flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
bogomips: 33536
Speed: 1131 MHz min/max: 1400/2100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1131 2: 1125
3: 1696 4: 1696 5: 1129 6: 1130 7: 1130 8: 1126
Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Picasso vendor: Lenovo driver: amdgpu v: kernel
bus ID: 04:00.0 chip ID: 1002:15d8
Display: server: X.Org 1.20.6 driver: amdgpu,ati
unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: AMD RAVEN (DRM 3.33.0 5.3.0-2-amd64 LLVM 9.0.0)
v: 4.5 Mesa 19.2.6 direct render: Yes
Audio:
Device-1: AMD Raven/Raven2/Fenghuang HDMI/DP Audio vendor: Lenovo
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 04:00.1 chip ID: 1002:15de
Device-2: AMD Raven/Raven2/FireFlight/Renoir Audio Processor
vendor: Lenovo driver: N/A bus ID: 04:00.5 chip ID: 1022:15e2
Device-3: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: Lenovo driver: snd_hda_intel
v: kernel bus ID: 04:00.6 chip ID: 1022:15e3
Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.3.0-2-amd64
Network:
Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
vendor: Lenovo driver: ath10k_pci v: kernel bus ID: 02:00.0
chip ID: 168c:0042
IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros type: USB driver: btusb bus ID: 3-2:3
chip ID: 0cf3:e500
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 476.94 GiB used: 9.05 GiB (1.9%)
ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 vendor: Samsung model: MZVLB512HAJQ-000L2
size: 476.94 GiB speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 serial: <filter>
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 459.50 GiB used: 9.05 GiB (2.0%) fs: ext4
dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
ID-2: swap-1 size: 8.80 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap
dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 49.9 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 49 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Info:
Processes: 223 Uptime: 1h 30m Memory: 5.81 GiB used: 1.13 GiB (19.5%)
Init: systemd v: 244 runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 9.2.1 alt: 9 Shell: bash
v: 5.0.11 running in: mlterm inxi: 3.0.37
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-12-17 15:27

Is the non-free firmware required by your graphics chip installed? The non-free installer does not install it automatically.

See also viewtopic.php?f=16&t=142974

EDIT: shit, that's 3rd genration Ryzen. You need a newer kernel & graphics stack as well: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=139003

Or use Arch instead.
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-17 18:59

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Is the non-free firmware required by your graphics chip installed? The non-free installer does not install it automatically.

See also viewtopic.php?f=16&t=142974

EDIT: shit, that's 3rd genration Ryzen. You need a newer kernel & graphics stack as well: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=139003

Or use Arch instead.


Thanks for answering <3. I didnt get any message for graphics driver, im trying right now to install league of legends to play and see what fps i get. Im right now on gnome DE, do you believe i should look for something else? The fans are starting many times thought the use speacially during youtube video, i saw something about gpu acceleration and that its not activated by the box in many distros, is that the problem? So i execute your commands? Sorry for making so many questions but im newbie and i want really to make debian work, im not gonna change it even if it doesnt work at 100% but i wanna support it. Also when i try to update i get this error

E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.


why is that?
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-17 19:58

@stevepusser wasnt the info enough for any assistance?
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-12-18 16:36

Kenshin Himura wrote:So i execute your commands?

No, I missed the bit where you said you're running bullseye. That should support your hardware as long as the non-free firmware is installed.

The development branches are somewhat prone to breakage though, I wouldn't really recommend them for newcomers.
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-18 17:02

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Kenshin Himura wrote:So i execute your commands?

No, I missed the bit where you said you're running bullseye. That should support your hardware as long as the non-free firmware is installed.

The development branches are somewhat prone to breakage though, I wouldn't really recommend them for newcomers.


I run league of legends and went smoothly. So I don't need new kernel and drivers, they are all including with bullseye?
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-12-18 17:04

Kenshin Himura wrote:So I don't need new kernel and drivers, they are all including with bullseye?

That's right, yes. If your game runs smoothly then you must have the firmware as well.

Read this though: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... .html#s3.1 ← note that testing is not one of the recommended branches.
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-18 18:45

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Kenshin Himura wrote:So I don't need new kernel and drivers, they are all including with bullseye?

That's right, yes. If your game runs smoothly then you must have the firmware as well.

Read this though: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... .html#s3.1 ← note that testing is not one of the recommended branches.


I be done that, but I ve seen few people suggesting testing to those who wanted to be more update firmware at their PC's, because they were arguing with others who supported that debian is outdated and blah blah. But I don't understand why you and the other brother you suggest me to go into Arch, aren't we here to support Debian or Arch is also part of it and it's philosophy?
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby arzgi » 2019-12-18 18:59

The problem is that your computer is newer than latest Debian stable. There are many arguments against using testing other than testing.
You can of course, it is your choice, but your mileage may vary.

Backports do help sometimes, also newer kernel perhaps, but then you lose security support.

Arch as rolling release would surely support your new hw better, I think that's why it was brought up.
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-12-18 19:01

Kenshin Himura wrote:I ve seen few people suggesting testing to those who wanted to be more update firmware at their PC's

The firmware .deb packages from testing/unstable are actually "safe" to install in stable because they have no dependencies. But usually they're in the backports repository anyway.

Kenshin Himura wrote:But I don't understand why you and the other brother you suggest me to go into Arch, aren't we here to support Debian or Arch is also part of it and it's philosophy?

No, Arch are a bunch of non-free loving heathens but their distribution is actually designed as a rolling release whereas Debian testing/unstable are development branches and are only really supposed to be used by those interested in helping develop Debian. Breakage is expected.
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-18 19:34

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Kenshin Himura wrote:I ve seen few people suggesting testing to those who wanted to be more update firmware at their PC's

The firmware .deb packages from testing/unstable are actually "safe" to install in stable because they have no dependencies. But usually they're in the backports repository anyway.

Kenshin Himura wrote:But I don't understand why you and the other brother you suggest me to go into Arch, aren't we here to support Debian or Arch is also part of it and it's philosophy?

No, Arch are a bunch of non-free loving heathens but their distribution is actually designed as a rolling release whereas Debian testing/unstable are development branches and are only really supposed to be used by those interested in helping develop Debian. Breakage is expected.


So I stay with my beloved Debian. What do you mean breakage? Sorry I'm not native in english
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-18 19:35

arzgi wrote:The problem is that your computer is newer than latest Debian stable. There are many arguments against using testing other than testing.
You can of course, it is your choice, but your mileage may vary.

Backports do help sometimes, also newer kernel perhaps, but then you lose security support.

Arch as rolling release would surely support your new hw better, I think that's why it was brought up.


Thanks for answering :D
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Chrisdb » 2019-12-19 06:00

Kenshin Himura wrote:What do you mean breakage? Sorry I'm not native in english


Debian testing/unstable will get more frequent updates of packages, not just security updates like in stable. It could be a certain package is updated/upgraded, but still contain a bug. This could lead to problems with your current package and other ones if they require that specific package as a dependency ....
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-12-19 16:02

Parabola is probably the best choice for people who love open source and cutting edge hardware. I should start recommending that instead of Arch. Or Hyperbola. Not sure how they deal with wireless cards & µcode though :?
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Re: Can't install on native uefi

Postby Kenshin Himura » 2019-12-19 16:16

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Parabola is probably the best choice for people who love open source and cutting edge hardware. I should start recommending that instead of Arch. Or Hyperbola. Not sure how they deal with wireless cards & µcode though :?


And what people Debian covers?
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