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Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby AlienProber » 2020-07-29 19:31

After watching a couple video reviews I decided to install Debian from "debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso". I didn't notice during the one video where to input the machine name I want. Did I just miss seeing that? Lastly is there anything else that I should know before doing the install? Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOI8wDUREcw

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System:
  Host: Mothership Kernel: 5.8.0-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A
  parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.8-x86_64
  root=UUID=e0246a06-8b86-404a-8d9d-2efe69098371 rw quiet apparmor=1
  security=apparmor udev.log_priority=3
  Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.19.3 tk: Qt 5.15.0 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM
  Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING v: Rev 1.xx
  serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends v: 3103 date: 06/17/2020
Battery:
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse
  serial: <filter> charge: 5% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes
  status: Discharging
  Device-2: hidpp_battery_1 model: Logitech Wireless Keyboard K360
  serial: <filter> charge: 100% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes
  status: Discharging
CPU:
  Topology: Quad Core model: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G with Radeon Vega Graphics
  bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Zen+ family: 17 (23) model-id: 18 (24)
  stepping: 1 microcode: 8108109 L2 cache: 2048 KiB
  flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
  bogomips: 28757
  Speed: 1387 MHz min/max: 1400/3600 MHz boost: enabled
  Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1231 2: 2949 3: 1231 4: 1957
  Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass
  mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
  Type: spectre_v1
  mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full AMD retpoline, IBPB: conditional,
  STIBP: disabled, RSB filling
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA TU116 [GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER] vendor: eVga.com.
  driver: nvidia v: 440.100 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:2187
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: nvidia compositor: kwin_x11
  resolution: 2560x1080~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER/PCIe/SSE2
  v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 440.100 direct render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: NVIDIA TU116 High Definition Audio vendor: eVga.com.
  driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 chip ID: 10de:1aeb
  Device-2: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK
  driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 0a:00.6 chip ID: 1022:15e3
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.8.0-1-MANJARO
Network:
  Device-1: Intel I211 Gigabit Network vendor: ASUSTeK driver: igb
  v: 5.6.0-k port: d000 bus ID: 04:00.0 chip ID: 8086:1539
  IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 6.71 TiB used: 3.63 TiB (54.0%)
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: Viper M.2 VPN100 size: 238.47 GiB
  block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4
  serial: <filter> rev: ECFM22.6 scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 850 EVO 120GB
  size: 111.79 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B
  speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 2B6Q scheme: GPT
  ID-3: /dev/sdb vendor: Western Digital model: WD10EARS-00Y5B1
  size: 931.51 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B
  speed: 3.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 0A80 scheme: GPT
  ID-4: /dev/sdc type: USB vendor: Seagate model: Expansion
  size: 1.82 TiB block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B
  serial: <filter> rev: 9300 scheme: GPT
  ID-5: /dev/sdd type: USB vendor: MediaMax model: WL3000GSA6454
  size: 3.41 TiB block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B
  rotation: 5400 rpm serial: <filter> scheme: GPT
  ID-6: /dev/sde type: USB vendor: Seagate model: Expansion Desk
  size: 119.24 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B
  serial: <filter> rev: 9401 scheme: GPT
  ID-7: /dev/sdf type: USB vendor: PNY model: USB 3.0 FD
  size: 115.38 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B
  serial: <filter> rev: PMAP scheme: MBR
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw size: 210.77 GiB size: 206.96 GiB (98.19%)
  used: 64.54 GiB (31.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 49.8 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 36 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 37%
Info:
  Processes: 300 Uptime: 30m Memory: 7.77 GiB used: 3.66 GiB (47.2%)
  Init: systemd v: 245 Compilers: gcc: 10.1.0 clang: 10.0.1 Shell: bash
  v: 5.0.18 running in: konsole inxi: 3.0.37
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby cuckooflew » 2020-07-29 20:06

You would be better off using written documentation /tutorial, official Debian :
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/
Try reading the documentation, and see what else you should know.
Lastly is there anything else that I should know before doing the install?


The info you show, is not even Debian, it is another distro, so I am not sure what you are trying to show with that ?
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby RU55EL » 2020-07-29 21:38

AlienProber wrote:After watching a couple video reviews I decided to install Debian from "debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso". I didn't notice during the one video where to input the machine name I want. Did I just miss seeing that? Lastly is there anything else that I should know before doing the install? Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOI8wDUREcw


The youtube link you posted shows installing Debian sid. You should be installing Debian stable! (Assuming you are installing Debian and not Manjaro.)
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby AlienProber » 2020-07-29 21:56

@cuckooflew it still shows my hardware, which is why I included it.

@RUSSELL For my install base I just figured that ISO would be a better choice for me cause it has the nonfree drivers out of the box and it's only KDE. If you still think I would be better suited to use SID for my install please let me know.

Thank you both for your input.

I didn't notice during the one video where to input the machine name I want
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby sickpig » 2020-07-29 22:50

stable iso has non-free drivers as well.
AlienProber wrote:If you still think I would be better suited to use SID for my install please let me know.

if you gotta ask then its best to stick with stable.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby RU55EL » 2020-07-29 23:32

sickpig wrote:stable iso has non-free drivers as well.
AlienProber wrote:If you still think I would be better suited to use SID for my install please let me know.

if you gotta ask then its best to stick with stable.


I couldn't have said it better myself.

Debian stable is the way to go.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby sunrat » 2020-07-29 23:52

Err, OP said they're installing stable, only the video was for sid (obviously shouldn't be following that to install stable). Sometimes I wonder if people actually read the thread before posting.

Your "machine name" presumably you mean hostname. It's definitely part of the installer to set that, IIRC "debian" will be default if you don't change it. Actually it's in the standard installer, can't vouch for it being in the live one as I never used it.
It can also be changed after installation, search the webz for how.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby RU55EL » 2020-07-29 23:58

sunrat wrote:Err, OP said they're installing stable, only the video was for sid (obviously shouldn't be following that to install stable). Sometimes I wonder if people actually read the thread before posting.


AlienProber wrote:After watching a couple video reviews I decided to install Debian from "debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso".


I read that, I just wanted to make sure that the OP understood that sid will be problematic for a new Debian user.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby cuckooflew » 2020-07-30 00:05

Post by AlienProber » 2020-07-29 21:56
@cuckooflew it still shows my hardware, which is why I included it.

Ahh, Ok , I see that now :
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  serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends v: 3103 date: 06/17/2020 


RUSSELL and Sickpig
Yes you both are right, and usually I would agree, however , sometimes really new hardware is not yet well supported by Debian Stable, ... again, reading the install documentation , will cover these things, and a Youtube video won't,
I , if it was me, I would try Stable first, and see what problems there are, if any...if there were problems, I would try again with SID,...if that still did not have the newest firmware, etc needed, I would start looking into another distro, apparently the OP has Manjaro on the machine, Is it working well ? Debian should be ok as well, though.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby sickpig » 2020-07-30 00:17

RU55EL wrote:I read that, I just wanted to make sure that the OP understood that sid will be problematic for a new Debian user.

couldn't agree more. Best to be unambiguous than presumptuously wonder.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby sunrat » 2020-07-30 00:22

cuckooflew wrote: I , if it was me, I would try Stable first, and see what problems there are, if any...if there were problems, I would try again with SID,...if that still did not have the newest firmware, etc needed, I would start looking into another distro, apparently the OP has Manjaro on the machine, Is it working well ? Debian should be ok as well, though.


I don't think Sid is a good idea for new users. Way too much management with eternal upgrades and occasional breakage. A good option for newer hardware is MX Linux AHS version which is based on Buster but has newer kernel, graphics, firmware etc. Head-On-A-Stick has a Buster netinstall image for newer hardware as well although netinstall may also be a bridge too far for noobies.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby stevepusser » 2020-07-30 03:29

Yes, that 2020 machine won't work at all on Buster--it's almost certain, though we'd have to see more hardware info to make sure. (I'm the guy that started the MX AHS version, by the way)
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby AlienProber » 2020-07-30 11:41

sickpig wrote:stable iso has non-free drivers as well.
AlienProber wrote:If you still think I would be better suited to use SID for my install please let me know.

if you gotta ask then its best to stick with stable.


If you can't be of any real help DO NOT reply, bye.

sunrat wrote:
cuckooflew wrote: I , if it was me, I would try Stable first, and see what problems there are, if any...if there were problems, I would try again with SID,...if that still did not have the newest firmware, etc needed, I would start looking into another distro, apparently the OP has Manjaro on the machine, Is it working well ? Debian should be ok as well, though.


I don't think Sid is a good idea for new users. Way too much management with eternal upgrades and occasional breakage. A good option for newer hardware is MX Linux AHS version which is based on Buster but has newer kernel, graphics, firmware etc. Head-On-A-Stick has a Buster netinstall image for newer hardware as well although netinstall may also be a bridge too far for noobies.


Thanks for the advice it is much appreciated, but I'm not a new user. Second I came back to Linux a little over two years back to see how it had progressed. I stared with Mint Cinnamon, then graduated to KDE Neon and then Kubuntu cause it put Neon to shame, Then to Manjaro KDE starting with 18.1.4. AS for MX it is not ready for prime-time by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby sunrat » 2020-07-30 11:58

AlienProber wrote:AS for MX it is not ready for prime-time by any stretch of the imagination.


You can get a full refund if it's not suitable for your needs. :mrgreen: Debian is a lot more hands-on to set up and tweak than MX.
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Re: Installing from debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

Postby AlienProber » 2020-07-30 12:15

sunrat wrote:
AlienProber wrote:AS for MX it is not ready for prime-time by any stretch of the imagination.


You can get a full refund if it's not suitable for your needs. :mrgreen: Debian is a lot more hands-on to set up and tweak than MX.


Debian is the original basis for Ubuntu which from my previous post I'm fairly use to, So for me Debian would have less of a learning curve than MX. Now to be fair it has been a bit since I looked at MX, so I can't honestly judge it now.
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