It was just an example of a simple useful app.tomazzi wrote:excuse me, hello? - what is so definitelly new in a Plant dock?
What I can say - it's just another dock...
Regards!
It was just an example of a simple useful app.tomazzi wrote:excuse me, hello? - what is so definitelly new in a Plant dock?
What I can say - it's just another dock...
Only a fool learns from their own mistakesspacex wrote:We do not learn from other peoples faults and mistakes. We have to make them ourselves.
Most people are foolsHead_on_a_Stick wrote:Only a fool learns from their own mistakesspacex wrote:We do not learn from other peoples faults and mistakes. We have to make them ourselves.
Debian already has become not much more than that. Serious systemd work is and will be done on Fedora/RedHat, and Debian will forever play catch-up with them.somebodyelse wrote:and Debian will be mistaken for one of those pass-time OS's where the aim is not actually to get anything productive done but to kill boredom while you wait for a new cat video on YouTube to be uploaded.
No need to say sorry. Just leave for Fedora, Redhat or Windows as you see as a viable option again. Nobody will cry, nobody will be missed. People not liking Debian anymore shouldn't be using it. Easy as that. Staying here with bad intent only to cause grief as some kind of revenge because Debian has chosen something you don't like, IS NOT in anyway constructive. It's a waste of everyones time, including your own.Sarge-in-charge wrote:Debian already has become not much more than that. Serious systemd work is and will be done on Fedora/RedHat, and Debian will forever play catch-up with them.somebodyelse wrote:and Debian will be mistaken for one of those pass-time OS's where the aim is not actually to get anything productive done but to kill boredom while you wait for a new cat video on YouTube to be uploaded.
Systemd is enough of a black-box critical piece of software, that no one doing serious work will take it from any place other than the place it is being hacked on: Fedora and RedHat. And that puts Debian with systemd in the toy category.
Sorry, systemd fans!
The question is whether PPAs are OK for Debian. The OP says "please no." I find PPAs quite useful. There was a one CD Debian based distro, which also used Debianized Ubuntu PPAs. Finally, it appears that the developer of that distro had taken your advice, dropped Debian and moved to Windows.spacex wrote:No need to say sorry. Just leave for Fedora, Redhat or Windows as you see as a viable option again. Nobody will cry, nobody will be missed. People not liking Debian anymore shouldn't be using it. Easy as that. Staying here with bad intent only to cause grief as some kind of revenge because Debian has chosen something you don't like, IS NOT in anyway constructive. It's a waste of everyones time, including your own.Sarge-in-charge wrote:Debian already has become not much more than that. Serious systemd work is and will be done on Fedora/RedHat, and Debian will forever play catch-up with them.somebodyelse wrote:and Debian will be mistaken for one of those pass-time OS's where the aim is not actually to get anything productive done but to kill boredom while you wait for a new cat video on YouTube to be uploaded.
Systemd is enough of a black-box critical piece of software, that no one doing serious work will take it from any place other than the place it is being hacked on: Fedora and RedHat. And that puts Debian with systemd in the toy category.
Sorry, systemd fans!
So Systemd-haters, take the consequense of your opinions and leave for something you like more...
It's perfectly fine to disagree with me. But if Systemd is a dealbreaker for anyone, then the obvious and logical solution is to move to something without Systemd. It's pure math. Because the battle is lost in Debian. So it's not that people can not disagree with me, but it serves no purpose to continue to fight a lost battle. At some time people need to accept that Systemd is the default in Debian, and make their choices based on that fact. The fight is over.Deshapria wrote: (Asking everyone who disagrees with you to go to another OS is sort of Arch forum attitude, not Debian I believe.)
Yesterday, just for fun I'd been (re)creating everything (and little more) of that little distro in Ubuntu Testing. I could do that quite easily, as Ubuntu had all the apps in its repos. I didn't even have to look in Launchpad for PPAs. I won't ever move to Windows.
I was just about to ask that.Randicus wrote:I seem to have missed something. What does systemd have to do with a Debian version of PPAs?
Sarge-in charge introduced it into this thread, and I responded because I'm tired of the anti-systemd crowd always dropping in some negative comments about systemd, regardless what the topic is.Randicus wrote:I seem to have missed something. What does systemd have to do with a Debian version of PPAs?
How would it not fit to PPAs?Sarge-in charge introduced it into this thread, and I responded because I'm tired of the anti-systemd crowd always dropping in some negative comments about systemd, regardless what the topic is.
This is correct and something I also don't understand - if you don't want systemd then you can switch to other distributions.if Systemd is a dealbreaker for anyone, then the obvious and logical solution is to move to something without Systemd. It's pure math. Because the battle is lost in Debian. So it's not that people can not disagree with me, but it serves no purpose to continue to fight a lost battle. At some time people need to accept that Systemd is the default in Debian, and make their choices based on that fact. The fight is over.
Debian's proposal [already linked in this topic] is not to use Launchpad PPA's and probably not even the name PPAshevegen wrote:add-apt-repository ppa:some/ppa
On 05/09/2013 02:38 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 08 May 2013, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> I actually really like this idea! (Though I suggest "Debian Personal
>> Archive".)
>>
>> It's really different from what people know as PPAs.
> To be fair, "Personal" is probably not relevant either. I expect many of
> those repositories to be maintained by teams.
>
> DSPA = Debian Special Purpose Archive
> DSPR = Debian Special Purpose Repository
> DASP = Debian Archive of Special Packages
> SPA = Special Package Archive
>
> bikeshed \o/
Seriously, any of the above would be better than PPA.
Naming it like for Ubuntu fools our users into believing
it is the same thing, when the plan is not like that.
I like the first name above.
Thomas
That's not exactly Debian's proposal, but another user's proposal. This user is proposing that the Debian users should have a user created archive.fireExit wrote:Debian's proposal [already linked in this topic] is not to use Launchpad PPA's and probably not even the name PPAshevegen wrote:add-apt-repository ppa:some/ppa
Canonical having a repository of packages for their system is not a problem. In fact, it should be expected.The problem is Ubuntu has such an archive, and the website that hosts the archive is owned by Cannonical, and that these files has .deb ending.
Almost everyone who wants to use Ubuntu PPAs on a Debian system does not have even a basic level of knowledge about Debian or Ubuntu. They believe since Ubuntu is based on Debian and both use .deb packages, packages are interchangeable between the two systems. Your example assumes a higher level of knowledge and common sense than what many new users have. A repository like the one fireExit refers to is a much better idea.We are told, we shouldn't use them, but if we look inside the .deb package, we'd see what that package is depending on. If we can find the dependencies in Debain repos, why not use them?