Re: Biggest mistake ever made by Debian
Posted: 2017-01-24 21:03
There was a ridiculous rift in the Linux community especially Debian over systemd. Bottom line is enterprise uses it, you need to know it.
The whole distro is full of bugs, see:Systemd is full of bugs ,
85 million hits say NO ONE have a good idea how anything works in linux, see:no one have a good idea how it works
Since no one knows how it works by default, the added complexity shouldn't affect your mood this way.changed how linux by default works .
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# aptitude why libpam-systemd
i kde-plasma-netbook Depends udisks2
i A udisks2 Depends libpam-systemd
So you prove a systemd based distro has compiled KDE with systemd support. According to you Devuan and all other distros that run KDE without systemd do not exist?bw123 wrote:Code: Select all
# aptitude why libpam-systemd i kde-plasma-netbook Depends udisks2 i A udisks2 Depends libpam-systemd
That is most often the case.Segfault wrote:I do not run all those distros, but in Gentoo you can build the latest KDE/Plasma without systemd, so it definitely is not hard dependency. It is merely a build-time option.
Ok game on. Look at Slackware (which I also use), we have KDE4, Xfce 4.12, all of the latest libraries etc... and no systemd, no PAM either. You are making the common mistake of thinking a program depends on systemd because of systemd. It is up to the distro packagers/maintainers on what something will depend. You can even have Gnome on Slack through a third party repo., MATE no problem either.bw123 wrote:ok, let's play
The whole distro is full of bugs, see:Systemd is full of bugs ,
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgrepo ... t=unstable
85 million hits say NO ONE have a good idea how anything works in linux, see:no one have a good idea how it works
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Since no one knows how it works by default, the added complexity shouldn't affect your mood this way.changed how linux by default works .
But one question I have is, where would debian be today without systemd? What desktop environments would we have?
Would we all be using fluxbox or what?
p.s. I love fluxbox, but not on my little netbook
Actually, it says they silently fixed it. It does not say they tried to hide it. It was fixed a year ago.Danielsan wrote:Sadly recently it was disclosure a serious bug but the systemd team tried to hide it and this is not really nice:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... ot-exploit
From that source:Danielsan wrote:I believe RMS doesn't care about systemd too much because the FSF is developing its own init system, I believe it is super cool but it still in development.
https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/
It doesn't say it's an init system.It provides a replacement for the service-managing capabilities of SysV-init (or any other init) with a both powerful and beautiful dependency-based system with a convenient interface.
Recently I read (unfortunately) the umpteenth interview to Poettering where, with the complicity of the interviewer, he was all the interview celebrating himself about systemd and other bad softwares he realized, what is it the point? He is the only one proud about systemd at the FSF they neither take it in consideration, so for they sysv-init still remain the official GNU init system and for these reason you can read: "(or any other init)"Sebastian Krahmer 2017-01-18 10:50:15 UTC
Apparently upstream failed to analyze the impact of this bug and so it was silently fixed.
Why do they have to talk about it? So long as they fix it. You're making a big deal out of something that was fixed a year ago.Danielsan wrote:"Silently fixed" means they tried to not talk very much about a serious or an idiotic bug.
It sounds like you have a fixation. If you dislike it that much, go use a distro that doesn't have it.Danielsan wrote:Recently I read (unfortunately) the umpteenth interview to Poettering where ...
Why do you want to talk sense? Are you one of them?phenest wrote:Why do they have to talk about it? So long as they fix it. You're making a big deal out of something that was fixed a year ago.Danielsan wrote:"Silently fixed" means they tried to not talk very much about a serious or an idiotic bug.
It sounds like you have a fixation. If you dislike it that much, go use a distro that doesn't have it.Danielsan wrote:Recently I read (unfortunately) the umpteenth interview to Poettering where ...
Good idea. It is way too long ago already that a person subscribed to this forum only to slam the OS because of systemd.Segfault wrote:How about this conspiracy theory: Poettering is an agent of NSA, systemd has built-in backdoors for NSA to use, Debian was forced to use systemd by NSA.
I don't use it anymore , i changed to Devuan Jessie , witch is a fork from debian and it is very stable .I think these systemd discussions are just a waste of time, probably because we already have some specific distros. This goes pretty simple, if you don't like systemd don't use it.
I have doubts about that , however , iptables exist to avoid that , but by default no one configures iptables on their distros , witch means that the distro is accepting and sending everything without filter .How about this conspiracy theory: Poettering is an agent of NSA, systemd has built-in backdoors for NSA to use, Debian was forced to use systemd by NSA.