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Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-05-09 09:46

currently, I am running Debian 9 - Stretch with LXDE
this used to be a FrankenDebian installation, which I repaired
in fact, I am happy with my current Debian-machine.

later this year, Debian Buster is coming up.
so, I started testing on a virtual machine in Parallels Desktop
I installed Debian Stretch, changed /etc/apt/sources.list and upgraded to Buster.
that went quite well.
than, I found Debian Busrter RC1, which I installed with LXDE
in this installation, I installed LXQt and purged LXDE
no problem there either
finally, I installed Debian Buster RC1 with LXQt
this gives a problem, as LXQt does not come up
in fact, the home folder does not have the usual folders

fred44nl@Buster:~$ ls -al
totaal 28
drwxr-xr-x 3 fred44nl fred44nl 4096 mei 8 18:47 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 mei 8 17:49 ..
-rw------- 1 fred44nl fred44nl 284 mei 8 19:59 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 fred44nl fred44nl 220 mei 8 17:49 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 fred44nl fred44nl 3526 mei 8 17:49 .bashrc
drwx------ 3 fred44nl fred44nl 4096 mei 8 17:50 .gnupg
-rw-r--r-- 1 fred44nl fred44nl 807 mei 8 17:49 .profile
fred44nl@Buster:~$


as you can see, there is no .cache, .config, .local, etc.etc.

it is not a real problem for me, but I am just curious.
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby Dai_trying » 2019-05-09 12:36

fred44nl wrote:finally, I installed Debian Buster RC1 with LXQt
this gives a problem, as LXQt does not come up
in fact, the home folder does not have the usual folders


I think this could be the same problem as I have encountered with graphical desktop not starting after a fresh install (happened with Xfce, Lxqt and a couple of others but not Gnome) and my workaround was to create an xorg.conf file, I have outlined how I did mine in this post it might work for you too.
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-05-09 16:25

Dai_trying wrote:I have outlined how I did mine in this post it might work for you too.


sorry, no dice
the complaint is "cannot find Xorg"
not even when I made it "/usr/bin/Xorg -configure"
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-05-09 16:30

Did you install xorg and mesa metapackages?
Maybe they aren't pulled in by default. You need them for LXQt DE, along with lightdm display manager.
So, from Debian minimal install:
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apt install xorg lxqt lightdm


EDIT: Yeah, mesa package exists on Arch, but not on Debian. Anyway, installing xorg will pull in mesa packages. Fixed.
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-05-09 16:55

Wheelerof4te wrote:Did you install xorg and mesa metapackages?


mesa and lightdm were not installed.
did install lightdm and it now works

there is no "mesa", but there are several other mesa's, like:
mesa-va-drivers
mesa-vdpau-drivers
those were installed.
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-05-09 18:40

Wheelerof4te wrote:installing xorg will pull in mesa packages

The xorg metapackage is a dependency of the task-desktop package, which is pulled in by task-lxqt-desktop.

If the OP's problem is fixed then it must have been caused by SDDM.

@OP: does GDM work? That runs X as the normal user but LightDM (and SDDM) runs X as root, which is bad.
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-05-10 07:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:If the OP's problem is fixed then it must have been caused by SDDM.

after installing lightdm, it worked
next I found I also had SDDM, which I purged
and it still works, so apparently lightdm is the active display manager.

@OP: does GDM work? That runs X as the normal user but LightDM (and SDDM) runs X as root, which is bad.

now you lost me :)
how can I check or change the way lightdm runs ??
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-05-11 06:22

fred44nl wrote:how can I check or change the way lightdm runs ??

I am suggesting getting rid of LightDM and using GDM instead.
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-05-11 10:13

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:I am suggesting getting rid of LightDM and using GDM instead.


looks good, thanks
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-05-19 10:32

keeping myself busy, I came across Cinnamon desktop.
looks very good, but not really light weight.
but, you can adjust the cursor-size.
being used to LXDE, I tried to find a bigger cursor there.
everything on internet about this, is years old.
downloaded cursor-themes don't install, etc.etc.

so, how do I get a bigger cursor in a light weight desktop ??
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby None1975 » 2019-05-20 12:56

fred44nl wrote:so, how do I get a bigger cursor in a light weight desktop ??

Hello. Check this.
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-05-21 15:32

currently I have 3 Debian machines.
one of them is a small media-server, running Debian Stretch.
trying to learn more and more about Buster, I also have 2 virtual machines in Parallels Desktop.
one is Stretch, the other is Buster RC1 and both VM's are newly installed with Cinnamon and gdm3

what I found yesterday, is that in my Stretch-VM, I double-click on the Network icon on the Desktop.
next I see my Debian media-server, my Buster-VM and an icon for Windows-network.
going into the Windows-network, gives me Workgroup, and in there there is my Debian media-server.

doing the same in my Buster-VM, gives a different result.
when I open the Network-icon, I get the icon of the Buster-VM and an icon for Windows-network.
I would expect my Stretch-VM here as well.
double-clicking on Windows-network does not give me Workgroup, just an empty view.

both VM's have been installed exactly the same, no changes made to any network-settings.
both have Samba installed and the service smbd is running on both.
I can ping both VM's back and forth, as well as my Debian media-server.

what could be going on here ??
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-06-03 08:45

in my Buster-VM, I have not added a file /etc/apt/02periodic
so, I would not expect Buster to update the package-list by itself, but it does.
it has happened several times, that when I start Buster up and run "sudo apt upgrade", after say 5 minutes, there are upgrades. sometimes, I also see a notification window, saying that some packages can be upgraded.

is this a new behaviour in Buster ??
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-06-03 18:53

fred44nl wrote:is this a new behaviour in Buster ?

Not really, unattended-upgrades was installed and enabled by default in the GNOME desktop for stretch but only for packages from the Security Team.

For buster the upgrades are enabled for all packages:

https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/ ... d-upgrades
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Re: Debian Buster is coming - just testing

Postby fred44nl » 2019-06-03 19:02

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:unattended-upgrades was installed and enabled by default in the GNOME desktop for stretch but only for packages from the Security Team.


yes, but I purged the package unattended-upgrades
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