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Debian Buster is here
- oswaldkelso
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Re: Debian Buster is here
The Buster experience continued with other DE's
enlightenment: 300mb after playing with composition got in down to 263mb. Light, lots of bling but as seems usual with enlightenment unstable! Windows froze requiring a log out. That said it performance wise it was fine. 7/10
mate:388mb usable by my granny. Complained about my screen but loaded it anyway. 6/10
lxde:308mb it seemed to load a bit of gnome cruft and would no doubt be much lighter if I removed gnome... may test that. lovely simple DE that anyone could use. 8/10
budgie: 540mb very basic ootb but much more usable speed wise. 6/10
plasma:plasma really struggled to load the monitor. very slow to start like over a minute or two. First time I got a black screem and waited. Eventually an option to select a monitor appeared. I clicked the wrong one and got a perminent black screen. I opened a tty and went in to .local/share/kscreen and deleted the file in there. Rebooted and tried again this time I selected the correct monitor and eventually got a desktop. Very slow to load up but once loaded works not to bad.. ps_mem showing 455mb Goodness knows what a full KDE would be like but no on my pay scale. 7/10
openbox: 270mb wtf is all the cruft being dragged in. Worked fine but felt like Usain Bolt and with a ball and chain 9/10
Gnome lost the ability to start synaptic and gparted but plasma could
Uninstalled reformatted the drive and reinstalled with no desktop
apt installed xorg rox curl firefox tint2 icewm mousepad spacefm and a few bits. Runs fine nice and quick but did need and hour to setup. Not got fittstool built yet as it complains about missing glib2 I suspect I need some dev files that I don't know the name of. I know it builds and works because I built it when I had the full desktop. pebkac Edit. fixed is installed some massive meta file by mistake so I guess it's still a pebkac!
icewm: 105mb! better but no cigar xorg is like 35mb of that as opposed to usually about 10 and xrandr show the infamous "laptop screen" so I suspect it may be an issue no matter what distro. Disabled the "laptop screen" with arandr damn I like that application. 9/10 edit rose to 120mb! wtf
All scoring imho and relate to the tested hardware and used Buster release only bla bla bla
Basically composting by default sucks and the installer should recommend a DE based on your hardware should you choose a desktop install.... anyway it's been an experience I may keep Buster on it to watch, along with exegnu (TDE) which absolutely flies as a full DE. Have fun and enjoy
enlightenment: 300mb after playing with composition got in down to 263mb. Light, lots of bling but as seems usual with enlightenment unstable! Windows froze requiring a log out. That said it performance wise it was fine. 7/10
mate:388mb usable by my granny. Complained about my screen but loaded it anyway. 6/10
lxde:308mb it seemed to load a bit of gnome cruft and would no doubt be much lighter if I removed gnome... may test that. lovely simple DE that anyone could use. 8/10
budgie: 540mb very basic ootb but much more usable speed wise. 6/10
plasma:plasma really struggled to load the monitor. very slow to start like over a minute or two. First time I got a black screem and waited. Eventually an option to select a monitor appeared. I clicked the wrong one and got a perminent black screen. I opened a tty and went in to .local/share/kscreen and deleted the file in there. Rebooted and tried again this time I selected the correct monitor and eventually got a desktop. Very slow to load up but once loaded works not to bad.. ps_mem showing 455mb Goodness knows what a full KDE would be like but no on my pay scale. 7/10
openbox: 270mb wtf is all the cruft being dragged in. Worked fine but felt like Usain Bolt and with a ball and chain 9/10
Gnome lost the ability to start synaptic and gparted but plasma could
Uninstalled reformatted the drive and reinstalled with no desktop
apt installed xorg rox curl firefox tint2 icewm mousepad spacefm and a few bits. Runs fine nice and quick but did need and hour to setup. Not got fittstool built yet as it complains about missing glib2 I suspect I need some dev files that I don't know the name of. I know it builds and works because I built it when I had the full desktop. pebkac Edit. fixed is installed some massive meta file by mistake so I guess it's still a pebkac!
icewm: 105mb! better but no cigar xorg is like 35mb of that as opposed to usually about 10 and xrandr show the infamous "laptop screen" so I suspect it may be an issue no matter what distro. Disabled the "laptop screen" with arandr damn I like that application. 9/10 edit rose to 120mb! wtf
All scoring imho and relate to the tested hardware and used Buster release only bla bla bla
Basically composting by default sucks and the installer should recommend a DE based on your hardware should you choose a desktop install.... anyway it's been an experience I may keep Buster on it to watch, along with exegnu (TDE) which absolutely flies as a full DE. Have fun and enjoy
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Re: Debian Buster is here
what a gem of a post, thanks for the different comparisons. much appreciated. m not sure about openbox memory consumption though, on my vanilla netinstall its under 160mb and thats with a bunch of crap like at-spi-2, gconf, dconf, upowered, cgmanager, gnome-keyring etc
But yes TDE absolutely rocks!!
ayeoswaldkelso wrote:Basically composting by default sucks
hahaha never gonna happenoswaldkelso wrote:and the installer should recommend a DE based on your hardware should you choose a desktop install
But yes TDE absolutely rocks!!
Re: Debian Buster is here
interesting, well, for me anyway.oswaldkelso wrote:The Buster experience continued with other DE's
but how do I get icewm to work ??
did install it with apt install icewm
did nano /etc/X11/default-display-manager and changed gdm3 to icewm
did sudo dpkg-reconfigure icewm
did update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and selected icewm
rebooted in between each change, but no dice
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- None1975
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Re: Debian Buster is here
In login screen, you must choose icewm-session to have full experience with icewm.fred44nl wrote:rebooted in between each change, but no dice
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- Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Debian Buster is here
Nope: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=699438#p699438oswaldkelso wrote:Gnome lost the ability to start synaptic and gparted
You probably tried the Wayland session, that won't allow synaptic to start because it runs in an insecure manner and the Wayland devs actually give a crap, amazingly.
Gparted works in both the X-based and Wayland GNOME session though, at least on my 10-year-old X201 (which runs GNOME very smoothly btw).
Icewm isn't a display manager so you should probably change that back.fred44nl wrote:did nano /etc/X11/default-display-manager and changed gdm3 to icewm
The x-window-manager alternative is only used if you have no x-session-manager alternative installed so that won't really do anything.fred44nl wrote:did update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and selected icewm
Select icewm-session from GDM's login screen by using the little cog-wheel icon just underneath the login box.
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Re: Debian Buster is here
On mine it is not a "cog wheel", but a little wrench thing,
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- Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Debian Buster is here
I think that's LightDM rather than GDM.GarryRicketson wrote:On mine it is not a "cog wheel", but a little wrench thing
I've already advised Fred to switch from LightDM to GDM because the latter runs X as the normal user but LightDM runs X as root, which is bad.
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Re: Debian Buster is here
Ok, any way, the option to select it should be there some where in the login screen,...
Mine is "lightdm".
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Re: Debian Buster is here
yes, it is and you know what ??GarryRicketson wrote:Ok, any way, the option to select it should be there some where in the login screen,...
I found it
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Re: Debian Buster is here
Small successes lead us to greater victories.fred44nl wrote:I found it
Soon, you will be compiling your own kernels....just to go back to default one anyway because it worked just fine
Re: Debian Buster is here
never, ever, everWheelerof4te wrote: Soon, you will be compiling your own kernels....
but what is the catch in icewm ??
not much different from LXDE or LXqt.
well, it is all a matter of taste.
want something different ??
have a look at Cinnamon.
not exactly a lightweight, but niccceeeeeee
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Re: Debian Buster is here
Do you feel the difference between DE and WM?fred44nl wrote:but what is the catch in icewm ?? not much different from LXDE or LXqt.
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Re: Debian Buster is here
Fred is correct in the sense that both LXDE and IceWM provide a simple workspace: menu, taskbar, launchers, pager, tray, ... and no whiz bang graphics. Windows open and close. That's it. Simple.None1975 wrote:Do you feel the difference between DE and WM?fred44nl wrote:but what is the catch in icewm ?? not much different from LXDE or LXqt.
The difference between LXDE and IceWM is the difference between automation and customization. LXDE offers a good out-of-the-box experience and graphical tools (like LXAppearance) that cater to your preferences. It works well and I use it on my phonetop, but it always leaves me wanting something more.
I use IceWM on my laptop. IceWM looks terrible out of the box. To make it look nice, you have to edit a bunch of text files by hand. But because it is so simple and easy to edit IceWM's configuration files, it is very easy to create the desktop that you want in IceWM.
The IceWM project was recently revived and Debian Buster offers the new version. The improvements are subtle, but it feels like silk.
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Re: Debian Buster is here
WOW! This thing has gone in a new direction from what I, the OP, had in mind. Well. the good news is it is coming whether you guys want it or not. I just downloaded and installed "debian-buster-DI-rc2-amd64-DVD-1.iso" and it is improved.
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Re: Debian Buster is here
Finally it has arrived.
But they tricked me: Yesterday I waited the whole day for the release and last time I checked just a few minutes before midnight. And today in the morning the news article claimed the new version was released on 6 July. Maybe there is some magic concerning time zones but I have the impression it would have been more adequate to date the release 2019-07-07 instead of 2019-07-06. It would be the prettier date anyway.
But of course this is not important at all. I am already installing it on my new device which should become my main workstation.
But they tricked me: Yesterday I waited the whole day for the release and last time I checked just a few minutes before midnight. And today in the morning the news article claimed the new version was released on 6 July. Maybe there is some magic concerning time zones but I have the impression it would have been more adequate to date the release 2019-07-07 instead of 2019-07-06. It would be the prettier date anyway.
But of course this is not important at all. I am already installing it on my new device which should become my main workstation.
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Re: Debian Buster is here
This release date is in coordinated Universal Time format...Onsemeliot wrote:Finally it has arrived. :)Maybe there is some magic concerning time zones but I have the impression it would have been more adequate to date the release 2019-07-07 instead of 2019-07-06. It would be the prettier date anyway.
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Re: Debian Buster is here
Congratulations Debian! Have the iso waiting for a test run soon as I get the time!
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