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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby dotlj » 2019-05-18 00:47

I've been looking at Buster and testing over the last year and installed in March on my home desktop. As most of the RC bugs affecting Buster don't affect me, I had no problem testing and enjoy it very much.

The kernel is 4.19 which I have been using in Stretch on another machine from stretch-backports for some time. As Buster will be released with that kernel, once Buster is released, I'll wait for the newer kernels to trickle down from Sid.
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby None1975 » 2019-05-18 12:25

Release-critical bugs status on Sat May 18 12:00:00 UTC 2019-only 115. Very good news!
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-05-19 05:10

The new base-files package has made it into buster:
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ryzen:~$ cat /etc/os-release
PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="10"
VERSION="10 (buster)"
VERSION_CODENAME=buster
ID=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/"
ryzen:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:    Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
Release:        10
Codename:       buster
ryzen:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
10.0
ryzen:~$

Debian 10 ftw!
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-05-19 09:11

Ok, so to sum up this clusterfuck of a thread, only base-files have changed to point only to Debian 10 (Buster).
Debian 10 has not been released just yet, but the change in base-files indicates that it's release is closer than we thought.

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cat /etc/os-release
PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="10"
VERSION="10 (buster)"
VERSION_CODENAME=buster
ID=debian
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby beardedragon » 2019-05-19 23:29

Buster, it seems, has been out in an rc, [debian-buster-DI-rc1-amd64-DVD-1] since April 12, 2019. I'm wrestling with the sources list that seems to require the install disk ever so often. "Any ideas?" BTW, it only comes with xfce4.12.4.

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bob@Debian:~$ inxi -Fxzc0
System:
  Host: Debian Kernel: 4.19.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0
  Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: LENOVO product: 10181 v: Lenovo K450e
  serial: <filter>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A v: 31900058 STD serial: <filter> BIOS: LENOVO
  v: I1KT38AUS date: 06/10/2014
Battery:
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech M570 charge: 85%
  status: Discharging
CPU:
  Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-4460 bits: 64 type: MCP
  arch: Haswell rev: 3 L2 cache: 6144 KiB
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 25543
  Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/3400 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2: 798
  3: 798 4: 798
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA GK208 [GeForce GT 720] vendor: Micro-Star MSI
  driver: nvidia v: 418.56 bus ID: 01:00.0
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nvidia
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 720/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 418.56
  direct render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Lenovo
  driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0
  Device-2: NVIDIA GK208 HDMI/DP Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI
  driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-5-amd64
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
  vendor: Lenovo driver: r8169 v: kernel port: d000 bus ID: 03:00.0
  IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.82 TiB used: 70.23 GiB (3.8%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD10EZEX-08M2NA0
  size: 931.51 GiB
  ID-2: /dev/sdd type: USB vendor: Western Digital model: WD Elements 25A2
  size: 931.48 GiB
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 908.08 GiB used: 22.66 GiB (2.5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
  ID-2: swap-1 size: 7.93 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 49 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 28%
Info:
  Processes: 179 Uptime: 1h 30m Memory: 7.73 GiB used: 704.0 MiB (8.9%)
  Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 Shell: bash v: 5.0.3
  inxi: 3.0.32
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby dotlj » 2019-05-19 23:42

Please have a look at the weekly testing images https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/

For testing and even for stable, I do an initial install using netinst.iso but choose no desktop, only system and ssh, then reboot.
After checking the system I then add the desktop I want, so if you want minimal KDE, choose
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apt install kde-plasma-desktop


Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change to (you can also add the deb-src if you like them)

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deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-backports main contrib non-free


Backports and security aren't available until it becomes stable, so you can edit but I have then in and have no problems with
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apt update
apt dist-upgrade
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby beardedragon » 2019-05-20 00:44

dotlj wrote:Please have a look at the weekly testing images https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/

For testing and even for stable, I do an initial install using netinst.iso but choose no desktop, only system and ssh, then reboot.
After checking the system I then add the desktop I want, so if you want minimal KDE, choose
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apt install kde-plasma-desktop


Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change to (you can also add the deb-src if you like them)

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deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-backports main contrib non-free


Backports and security aren't available until it becomes stable, so you can edit but I have then in and have no problems with
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apt update
apt dist-upgrade


Thanks the only missing one was buster-backports I did get a warning, I also put a # in front of the one making it look for the DVD all the time.
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The following packages have been kept back:
  libxnvctrl0
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby L_V » 2019-05-20 05:51

beardedragon wrote:Thanks the only missing one was buster-backports I did get a warning,
That's normal because buster-backports does not exist. It's a bit early to expect backports on buster.....

libxnvctrl0 / buster: https://packages.debian.org/buster/libxnvctrl0
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby beardedragon » 2019-05-20 10:50

L_V wrote:
beardedragon wrote:Thanks the only missing one was buster-backports I did get a warning,
That's normal because buster-backports does not exist. It's a bit early to expect backports on buster.....

libxnvctrl0 / buster: https://packages.debian.org/buster/libxnvctrl0

Thanks for the link, gdebi said it is already installed, I reinstalled it just in case.
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby L_V » 2019-05-20 19:45

Can you show this:
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apt policy libxnvctrl0
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby beardedragon » 2019-05-20 20:34

L_V wrote:Can you show this:
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apt policy libxnvctrl0

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bob@Debian:~$ sudo apt policy libxnvctrl0
[sudo] password for bob:
libxnvctrl0:
  Installed: 418.74-1
  Candidate: 418.74-1
  Version table:
 *** 418.74-1 100
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     418.56-1 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby L_V » 2019-05-20 20:40

Then all is fine !
(you don't need "sudo" for apt policy)
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby oswaldkelso » 2019-05-20 21:04

Today I installed Buster, just for a giggle I chose desktop and got Gnome, shock and you guessed it horror!

First thing I did was add ps_mem to my nice clean system. I thought a before and after check would be smart.

I was a bit worried when I downloaded the iso, but figured if must have like 5 DE's for it to be so large at 3.7GB. I was interested to see if I was missing anything and if so what.

I chose not to add the non-free Wi-Fi driver as I have a cable, but it may have caused it to hang gdm on boot, I switched to another console and ran startx... bingo a desktop eventually :-) Then I realise I'm logged in as root? I thought that wasn't possible?

Anyway I kill the session log out and re-login as user using startx. Fired up Firefox but no connection! weird as network setting said I'm connected. restart Firefox and I'm on line. I add ps_mem. It shows 713MB just for the desktop and without gdm :-) Of course not having started gdm I couldn't log out of it. Just cancel, reboot and shutdown.

I reboot hangs again at starting gnome display manager something called init mac failed while trying to load the non existing firmware blob. I switch to root and run systemctl restart gdm3. It hangs leaving me with no tty access. Hard reboot. Same error. log into tty2 and end up using startx. I start a Firefox and LibreOffice and before you know it I'm using 1.2GB of ram. No wonder it's like wading through treacle. One thing I did discover was this pc is a "shuttle XPC XS36V" and even though it only has an external display the system see's it as a laptop with a built in display. I set it to the larger external display and all is dandy. Not that it helped GDM3.

Ignoring the login issues.

The interface is like a poor mans version of fittstool with skippy-xd (which I have setup but don't use as it's to cumbersome). Essentially if you use a mouse. You get much better application switching with plain old tint2 as the mouse movement is minimal and instant. If your going to just use a keyboard for switching seriously why would you use gnome?

I liked the clock in the middle of the screen after it logged me out! I didn't like how it logged me out without asking but suspect this could be changed.

Launching applications from the all section is criminally slow compared to a decent menu. The type launcher ridiculously slow compared to most type driven launchers like dmenu or runner. The hot spot launcher supersonically slow compared to fittstool on this same machine without gnome. Now if you have gobs of ram maybe you won't notice but what the heck is going on in the background for the same actions to be so much slower. Is there something you can switch off? Composting etc

My I propose a name change from Gnome to Slowme (slow-me frigging down)

Then I though while I'm here I'll try the other Desktops. KDE and XFCE

I ran software updates and cache refresh froze. Nothing xkill didn't fix :-)

apt-get install xfce4 which offered me to switch from gdm3 the lightdm... I did

after a reboot I get lightdm \o/ select xfce and login I turnoff composting and get 405MB from ps_mem... much snappier useable even.

Rather weirdly icewm is seem as a meta package or so it seems adding xscreensaver?

down to 290MB with at least 80MB of cruft. Not quite the 62MB I get on my usual system with my nc10 and icewm but hey better than 1.2GB. Very usable and more importantly for me and my old hardware a quick desktop.

Comparing my usual desktop: with the most used applications.

Base:a wm (usually icewm or openbox), tint2, xdotool, fittstool, rox-filer, spacefm network: seamonkey, weechat, claws-mail, wicd-gtk, gftp graphics:geeqie, gimp, inkscape, blender editors:leafpad, adie, geany, libre-office multimedia:cplay, gogglesmm, mpv, transmission-gtk utils:lilytermm, thunar-bulkrename, arandr

Clearly if I needed a more streamlined desktop I could remove most of those applications and choose much lighter one's. So what the heck is going on with Gnome and what the heck is going on with Buster... I mean it's due to be stable....

I'm seriously not sure if gnome hates me or I hate it.. It's definitely getting better compared to the last time I tried it but just as well neither the two need meet :mrgreen:
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby beardedragon » 2019-05-21 03:13

oswaldkelso wrote:Today I installed Buster, just for a giggle I chose desktop and got Gnome, shock and you guessed it horror!
I'm seriously not sure if gnome hates me or I hate it.. It's definitely getting better compared to the last time I tried it but just as well neither the two need meet :mrgreen:


Sorry I gutted your long post, Did not need to read it twice. I have not liked gnome or mate for a longtime, but, started out with it. I prefer Xfce. You have a lot of interesting points but there are reasons for your problems. For instance, getting logged out without being told is due to not taking care of your settings when you first started, there are always some settings that have to do with screen time and with a screen saver the problem is two fold. Actually for a starting new RC system it is fast enough. I imagine xfce is faster than gnome though. If you started with only one disk to install with you have a modest amount of software. If you have three or more then I can understand the bulk. Welcome to the world of Buster, it is a different breed of Debian for sure. I had a taste of it from my recent experience in Testing if you read any of the rest of this. Hope you like it though I cannot take credit for any of it. Stick around it should be fun.
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Re: Debian Buster is here

Postby None1975 » 2019-05-21 12:07

oswaldkelso wrote:Rather weirdly icewm is seem as a meta package or so it seems adding xscreensaver?

Yes, it is. Just look here and here.
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