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******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

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Should Debian keep GTK1 for Lenny?

Yes, long live GTK1!
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No, get rid of that "thing"!
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Total votes: 40

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lolanoob
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******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

#1 Post by lolanoob »

Just because GTK1 is no longer developed doesn't mean applications based on it aren't! Also GTK2 is buggy, bloated, and ugly(-er than GTK1). GTK2 apps are also memory and CPU hogs (if you don't believe me, try running the newest GIMP on a P][ with 256MB RAM). And I'm sure we all want XMMS back after the whole audacious 1.5.1-1 fiasco. :(

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#2 Post by MeanDean »

what applications use it?

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#3 Post by jtodd »

GTK2 runs fine on my machine (see sig).
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#4 Post by BioTube »

If an application isn't recompiled for use with GTK2, odds are it's deprecated. However, for those who insist on using the older tool kit, a simple compatibility layer should suffice.
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#5 Post by lolanoob »

what applications use it?
:shock:

Dillo
CoreWars
Aria
XMMS
Xwhois
Xscorch
CinePaint
Xarchon
Soundtracker
HF
GNOME (parts still use it! :wink: )
Gentoo
fvwm2
Cheops
Endeavor2
Gcvs
Gman
GSNES9x
Lazarus-ide
...you get the idea.


If an application isn't recompiled for use with GTK2, odds are it's deprecated. However, for those who insist on using the older tool kit, a simple compatibility layer should suffice.
I fully agree, except in (somewhat) the case of XMMS.
GTK2 runs fine on my machine (see sig).
Runs ok on mine too, even though they hog up memory. GTK1 works better, though :twisted:.

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#6 Post by Gomer_X »

lolanoob wrote:Gentoo
Is this a Debian application? :)
lolanoob wrote:fvwm2
It CAN be compiled with GTK support, but it's not necessary.

The rest of the apps I don't use. Goodbye GTK1! Welcome to the 21st century! :)

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#7 Post by BioTube »

As for GSNES9x, ZSNES has and will always be better.
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#8 Post by jdhore »

Also, since you had the time to go through and find all of those, find me 2 that have had a update from upstream in the past 2 years. (not a Debian revision and not XMMS. XMMS is worse than dead and even the developers admit it)

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#9 Post by kabniel »

Gomer_X wrote:Is this a Debian application? :)
Gentoo is also the name of a file manager, i used it about 5 years ago, but dont anymore because it.. well.. use GTK1 :P

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#10 Post by lolanoob »

Also, since you had the time to go through and find all of those, find me 2 that have had a update from upstream in the past 2 years. (not a Debian revision and not XMMS. XMMS is worse than dead and even the developers admit it)
Dillo, Gentoo :P
As for GSNES9x, ZSNES has and will always be better.
I acknowledge this, I tried using GSNES9x once, and it sucked :oops: .

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#11 Post by tukuyomi »

I acknowledge this, I tried using GSNES9x once, and it sucked Embarassed .
Not really the topic, but you should give Snes9x-GTK a try: http://www.snes9x.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3703

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#12 Post by factotum218 »

The source is available. Have at it!
If your going to be running GIMP on a P2, you might want to try visiting the outside world some time. Or maybe get a paper route. Decent computers are on the cheap these days.
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#13 Post by MeanDean »

I went back to XMMS! So.....keep gtk....!!!!

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#14 Post by otter »

I'll tell you what uses it.. my custom mplayer binary, that's what! :wink:

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#15 Post by Sloyment »

I still use SoundTracker, but it’s not a Debian package anymore, which makes the installation unneccessarily complicated. Furthermore, I have to use the GTK 2 port of SoundTracker which is both buggy and slow thanks to GTK 2. I’m quite angry about the situation.

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#16 Post by fer788 »

http://www.depressifrencontre.com
lolanoob wrote:
what applications use it?
:shock:

Dillo
CoreWars
Aria
XMMS
Xwhois
Xscorch
CinePaint
Xarchon
Soundtracker
HF
GNOME (parts still use it!:wink: )
Gentoo
fvwm2
Cheops
Endeavor2
Gcvs
Gman
GSNES9x
Lazarus-ide
...you get the idea.



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are you sure about that one ? I thought since it use man2html it was not to be trusted anymore

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#17 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

What the hell is GTK1?
:P
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#18 Post by stevepusser »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:What the hell is GTK1?
:P
It was the first edition of GTK, obviously. Horrible looking by today's standards. It's like shouting out on a Windows forum "Bring back 3.1!"
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#19 Post by oswaldkelso »

Most "improvments" offered buy newer tool kits are cosmetic with minor improvments in functionality. Of course I use icewm, openbox or windowlab with roxfiler so maybe I just don't see it :lol:

I have an usb install of RLSD and very good it is to. Anyone wanting to see a retro environment take a look

https://github.com/dimkr/rlsd

https://github.com/dimkr/rlsd2
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#20 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

oswaldkelso wrote:Most "improvments" offered buy newer tool kits are cosmetic
Isn't that the point of a toolkit -- to provide cosmetic fripperies?

Or am I missing something?

Probably the latter as I use DWM...
:lol:

AFAIUI, the GNOME team works hard to *reduce* functionality with each new release.
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