******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

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Should Debian keep GTK1 for Lenny?

Yes, long live GTK1!
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35%
No, get rid of that "thing"!
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Total votes : 40

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Postby fer788 » 2015-05-20 16:25

http://www.depressifrencontre.com
lolanoob wrote:
what applications use it?
:shock:

Dillo
CoreWars
Aria
XMMS
Xwhois
Xscorch
CinePaint
Xarchon
Soundtracker
HF
GNOME (parts still use it!:wink: )
Gentoo
fvwm2
Cheops
Endeavor2
Gcvs
Gman
GSNES9x
Lazarus-ide
...you get the idea.



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are you sure about that one ? I thought since it use man2html it was not to be trusted anymore
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2015-05-20 19:56

What the hell is GTK1?
:P
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby stevepusser » 2015-05-20 20:04

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:What the hell is GTK1?
:P


It was the first edition of GTK, obviously. Horrible looking by today's standards. It's like shouting out on a Windows forum "Bring back 3.1!"
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby oswaldkelso » 2015-05-20 20:58

Most "improvments" offered buy newer tool kits are cosmetic with minor improvments in functionality. Of course I use icewm, openbox or windowlab with roxfiler so maybe I just don't see it :lol:

I have an usb install of RLSD and very good it is to. Anyone wanting to see a retro environment take a look

https://github.com/dimkr/rlsd

https://github.com/dimkr/rlsd2
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2015-05-20 21:07

oswaldkelso wrote:Most "improvments" offered buy newer tool kits are cosmetic

Isn't that the point of a toolkit -- to provide cosmetic fripperies?

Or am I missing something?

Probably the latter as I use DWM...
:lol:

AFAIUI, the GNOME team works hard to *reduce* functionality with each new release.
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby oswaldkelso » 2015-05-21 11:22

Isn't that the point of a toolkit -- to provide cosmetic fripperies?

Or am I missing something?

Probably the latter as I use DWM...
:lol:


Sorry about my brain fart. :mrgreen:

I had the misfortune to try an Elementary OS install. Like Gnome last time I tried it, it was like swimming in treacle. Offering very little more than a slick theme at the expense of a lot more bloat and memory consumption. I would say the same about QT. In a Moore's law kind of way designers expect computers to have more resources they design interfaces that need more resources. In short pretty, slow and no easier to use than what had existed before.

I run windows maximized most of the time so how pretty the interface is while important to me is not the be all and end all, the interface does not exist to look at in the way most users think or are used to.

I use fittstool http://code.google.com/p/fittstool/ To launch my commonly used applications I just point the mouse and click and things happen. Point and scroll the mouse wheel and the volume changes.

http://oswaldkelso.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... paper.html

It takes a little learning but it's a pleasure to use and so much easier than pointing and clicking on a small panel or menu icon or using a run dialog. Though I still have both. A panel to show running applications and save me using ALT-TAB, and a hidden fbpanel for a dynamic menu for less used items. Just because I'm lazy 8)
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2015-05-21 18:32

oswaldkelso wrote:I use fittstool http://code.google.com/p/fittstool/ To launch my commonly used applications I just point the mouse and click and things happen. Point and scroll the mouse wheel and the volume changes.

http://oswaldkelso.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... paper.html

That is bloody lovely -- thanks for sharing!
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby edbarx » 2015-05-22 07:47

stevepusser wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:What the hell is GTK1?
:P


It was the first edition of GTK, obviously. Horrible looking by today's standards. It's like shouting out on a Windows forum "Bring back 3.1!"


I think, Windows 3.1 had better looking widgets compared to GTK1. Considering GTK1 graphics they look more like a pre-alpha release rather than a finished product.
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby thanatos_incarnate » 2015-05-22 13:25

edbarx wrote:
stevepusser wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:What the hell is GTK1?
:P


It was the first edition of GTK, obviously. Horrible looking by today's standards. It's like shouting out on a Windows forum "Bring back 3.1!"


I think, Windows 3.1 had better looking widgets compared to GTK1. Considering GTK1 graphics they look more like a pre-alpha release rather than a finished product.

I think you haven't been around long enough in the Linux world. GTK1 was a much more modern toolkit than that of Win 3.11 -- in fact, I found it better looking than my Windows 98 standard theme when I moved over to Linux. It was very stable and also had at the time a very good theming engine. Disregarding the relatively poor font hinting, the rest of the visuals were en par with other modern UIs of the time.

XMMS menu dialogue:
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http://ggmud.sourceforge.net/ggmudprefs.jpg

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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby slackguy » 2015-08-31 17:40

i was just toying with making a small gnome-1.4 release (that's not yet finished) that works on "today's build system" for compatibility

the following has what you need to know to get gtk-1 working (and it's examples or gtk-demo working). it's success is based on squeeze though, so anything "too new" might need a slight work-around

http://sourceforge.net/p/x-lfs-2010/

however! as i found out, some of gtk assumes that parts of gnome are working (most especially, icon support). but some applications can and do work w/o any gnome

* i say that, but i'm a few years behind, but really things shouldn't be breaking it shoudln't matter
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Re: ******KEEP GTK1!!!!!!******

Postby spacex » 2015-08-31 22:54

OMG, once again the Debian community has made my day :lol:
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