Ideas for separation of "base system"

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Postby ciol » 2008-08-08 07:01

Ay wrote:How about a small business that has people working in an office with several workstations? Those desktop systems need to be rock solid to maintain productivity. Windows could be a problem due to cost. So wouldn't Debian be a good choice there? I think it would be. Situations like that, and for important servers.


1) Those small enterprises have money (they had Windows before right?). It's very hard for Debian (lack of man power), to do what Red Hat does.

2) The main point is there. Since it's very difficult for Debian to release, Debian should not release *everything* as -stable. Do the small enterprises and servers need ion? Games? I don't think so. You can even chose to freeze only either KDE or Gnome. Only pidgin and not aMSN, etc.


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Postby BioTube » 2008-08-08 14:00

But why? Plenty of desktop users go with Etch.
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Postby ciol » 2008-08-08 17:41

Plenty of desktop users want to kill themselves when they notice the lost potential of Debian.
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Postby Telemachus » 2008-08-08 19:59

As exciting as all this wonderful debate is, somebody should tell the OP: this isn't an "official" Debian forum. Very few Debian developers seem to hang out here. We're just users. Even if you convince all of us that your plan is perfect, nothing will happen.

If you want to make an official wish-list request, do it on a Debian developer mailing list.
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Postby AdrianTM » 2008-08-08 20:10

Telemachus wrote:If you want to make an official wish-list request, do it on a Debian developer mailing list.

Good point.

I'm also weary of people who come up with great ideas about "how to fix Linux" or "how to improve Debian". Usually people who work on Linux, Debian, etc are pretty smart and take the decisions being more informed about goes on and what's possible or not.

There's always this type of guy who comes on Linux forums and accuses everybody that they are blind that they don't see that Linux could be great only if... this discussion is pretty similar, "Debian would be great, if..." however most of the proposed ideas are good and many times they go exactly against of spirit of the thing they are supposed to fix. For example in this case making Debian less stable.
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Postby ciol » 2008-08-08 20:10

Telemachus wrote:If you want to make an official wish-list request, do it on a Debian developer mailing list.


Nobody will listen and you will find the old same arguments: "use testing", "stable is stable period".
Furthermore, there is already a wiki page about this: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals
Of course, this is useless. We all know nothing changed and nothing will change.
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Postby AdrianTM » 2008-08-08 20:14

ciol wrote:
Telemachus wrote:If you want to make an official wish-list request, do it on a Debian developer mailing list.


Nobody will listen and you will find the old same arguments: "use testing", "stable is stable period".
Furthermore, there is already a wiki page about this: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals
Of course, this is useless. We all know nothing changed and nothing will change.

So, then, why do you make the request here? Do you like to blow hot air? In a way I understand you, I do too 8) but seriously, what do you try to accomplish if you already know that nobody will listen and you already know the responses you are going to get?
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Postby ciol » 2008-08-08 20:20

There is still a hope... A random DD, a random night...
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Postby Burnside » 2008-08-08 20:34

You know you are free to create a derivative distro if you want. You seem pretty passionate about the idea, why not make your own?
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Postby ciol » 2008-08-08 20:40

You know you are free to create a derivative distro if you want. You seem pretty passionate about the idea, why not make your own?


I think I will.
I already found a distro which nearly looks like what I'm looking for: http://lapwing.org/

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It doesn't use the current development model of "freezing" packages for a release; the core packages (such as glibc, GCC, UDEV etc) are frozen to ensure stability, but all packages "above" this are renewed as and when needed.


But I think the base should have at least xorg.
I have several others ideas too. So it's far to be perfect.
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