Debian 7 default DE?

[mslinux]

Maybe RHEL's dictioanary right now says "Good" as : [n] something that does not make your 22" widescreen monitor looks like a stupid tablet.

[ChipOManiac]

Very bad would be making the computer screen look like a mobile telephone screen in hopes of attracting the brain-dead.

+1 for that

[Mr James]

making the computer screen look like a mobile telephone screen in hopes of attracting the brain-dead.

[rant]
You can excuse Microsoft for going that direction - after all, their target users are the brain dead. But Gnome? It is hard to believe such a contrast can exist within the GNU project (Gnome is part of GNU).
Compare one GNU sub-project like Gnome and it's associated programs with others within the same damn umbrella project (GNU) like Gimp and Emacs in terms of customization and features - while the latter throws in everything but the kitchen sink, the former throws in the kitchen sink and nothing else.
Gnome and it's applications are designed in a weird way. Rather than have a "Double click to enter full screen" option in Eye of Gnome preferences, they implement such options as plugins you can enable - they are seen as features not options. That is silly.
[/rant]

I still say Gnome should remain the default DE in Debian. And by the way, discussing what the default DE should be *here* is pointless. Nobody that matters (can do anything about it) is on the board far as I know. Mailing lists are where the action is.

[mslinux]

Mailing lists are where the action is.

I unsubscribed Debian mailing lists years ago...Too much to read, and I was a bit lazy to maintain my Evolution mailbox
Otherwise there would be many ranting, moaning there ( well, at least you know who would rant )
Y U MAKE MEH BIGGY SCREENY A TABLET ???

[kcredden]

I'm still a KDE 4.x fan, but I agree with this as well.

Besides what ever Gnome comes out, I'm wiping it and installing KDE 4.x anyway.

One of the beauties of Linux.

What about "none", and provide a choice at booting the installer?

[62chevy]

Why wipe Gnome when the Debian netinstall disk will just install KDE if you want. It will give you the choice of Gnome (default), KDE, Xfce or Lxde. Just goto the Advance options>Alternative desktop environments.

[Pednick]

i vote for the Xfce enviroment.

Count me in on that vote.

[Pednick]

[rant]And by the way, discussing what the default DE should be *here* is pointless. Nobody that matters (can do anything about it) is on the board far as I know. Mailing lists are where the action is.

Umm ok but then doesn't it make the Debian Development forum moot?

[adenukolnis]

Umm ok but then doesn't it make the Debian Development forum moot?

It would if there was one.... Is there one?

The area we are at right now is an area where users discuss debian development.
debian USER forums >>> discussion area >>>> debian development

[Roel63]

It's still Gnome: http://identi.ca/notice/96386955

[Anteaus]

I'd go for LXDE or Xfce. LXDE is the more robust and better looking, though Xfce is a little more friendly for beginners. Either is acceptable. Other distros seem to be going one of these routes so seems sensible to do likewise.

KDE 4 was a disaster at the outset though is now looking a bit better. Gnome 3 is almost as bad as Windows 8. Not quite, though.

[overthetop]

I'm not particularly happy with the direction the Gnome developers are taking, but we will see in time. I would definitely go with either Gnome or Xfce as the default.

[buntunub]

Fer cryin out loud people! A DE is a DE is a DE, as many of you have said on other threads. Why try to sound like your against this or that DE now?

Debian 7 should come with no DE by default. None. Its default DE should be the bash shell. The Debian Installer should present you with a very long list of DE's from which to choose, check the one you want and off you go to the races! If the user chooses none of the DE's, he or she should then be presented with a bare bones base install with no DE. Easy shmeasy. Whats the fuss?

[Randicus]

Like Slackware's installer, which gives the option of, if I remember correctly, six DE/WMs. That is indeed a good way to do it. If I were the person in charge of such things, I would include Gnome, KDE, Openbox, Fluxbox, LXDE and XFCE in the Debian installer.

[MALsPa]

Fer cryin out loud people! A DE is a DE is a DE, as many of you have said on other threads. Why try to sound like your against this or that DE now?

Debian 7 should come with no DE by default. None. Its default DE should be the bash shell. The Debian Installer should present you with a very long list of DE's from which to choose, check the one you want and off you go to the races! If the user chooses none of the DE's, he or she should then be presented with a bare bones base install with no DE. Easy shmeasy. Whats the fuss?

I agree. I don't care which one is the "default," especially with Debian. Years ago I was a KDE-only person, but it doesn't matter anymore.

[Pednick]

Umm ok but then doesn't it make the Debian Development forum moot?

It would if there was one.... Is there one?

You're in it right now.

The area we are at right now is an area where users discuss debian development.
debian USER forums >>> discussion area >>>> debian development

So you're indicating that the Debian developers don't read this forum, if that's what you're saying then I have to disagree, just recently they announced somewhere that Xfce is in fact going to be the default instead of Gnome.

[kostaris]

Fer cryin out loud people! A DE is a DE is a DE, as many of you have said on other threads. Why try to sound like your against this or that DE now?

Debian 7 should come with no DE by default. None. Its default DE should be the bash shell. The Debian Installer should present you with a very long list of DE's from which to choose, check the one you want and off you go to the races! If the user chooses none of the DE's, he or she should then be presented with a bare bones base install with no DE. Easy shmeasy. Whats the fuss?

I agree. I don't care which one is the "default," especially with Debian. Years ago I was a KDE-only person, but it doesn't matter anymore.

That is how I feel, it should be all about freedom of choice even though traditionally gnome2 was the debian-default sort of and gnome - reportedly trying to become OS - independent is interesting, Simply selecting your gui of choice is the way to go for me. But I would like to see extra customization under desktop-base, maybe a cool debian-style icon set, after all, Xmass is near

[dsc]

... just recently they announced somewhere that Xfce is in fact going to be the default instead of Gnome.

Link, please?

[gradinaruvasile]

This change was reversed since then:

Original (one of the many google hits...):
http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/deb ... nment.html

And the reverse:
http://www.neowin.net/news/debian-drops ... lt-desktop

I dont know whats to be so dreaded in xfce. Its a stable de, looks like gnome 2 and has most features people need. Prepackaging a few helper programs such as gigolo would help greatly.
Looks like the devs have some name-related inertia, but Gnome 3 isnt what Gnome 2 was good in = being a familiar face with many features.
Look at Windows 8 - they messed it up only halfway: you still have the familiar desktop under that good-awful-start-menu-replacement (it looks like it has schizophrenia or something). And it didnt go well despite actually lowering the hw requirements.
And here is Gnome 3 that changed everything including the kitchen sink + making it essentially useless on less powerful hardware.

[dsc]

Okay, well I wouldn't consider these [1] ,[2] "announcements" of such a change. But whatever.

[1] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tas ... 0d9a799a08
[2] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tas ... 79bd8eba68