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Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby Nokao » 2012-11-29 19:19

Hi !

From http://httpd.apache.org/
I see that Apache 2.4.3 is pretty stable,
but in http://packages.debian.org/unstable/httpd/apache2
Is see that is not present in stable, testing and unstable branches.

So my questions are:
    When it will be supported ?
    How can I install it in a Stable system forcing apt ?
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby dasein » 2012-11-29 20:07

Nokao wrote:So my questions are:
When it will be supported ?

To understand why this question is unanswerable, you need to understand something about Debian release cycles. For the foreseeable future, Debian developers are focused on bug fixes for Wheezy, not on porting SNS (Shiny New Shit) to sid.

Nokao wrote:How can I install it in a Stable system forcing apt ?

You can't. If you're not comfortable compiling from source, then you'll need to wait it out.

But before you even consider such an undertaking, you might find it worth your time to convince yourself that you absolutely, positively need something that's available only in the 2.4 branch.
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby nadir » 2012-11-29 20:31

Well:
You could run a web-server from Debian experimental

:lol:

Debian Sid FAQ:
Should I use sid on my server?

Are you insane? No!


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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby Nokao » 2012-11-29 20:32

dasein wrote:
Nokao wrote:How can I install it in a Stable system forcing apt ?

You can't. If you're not comfortable compiling from source, then you'll need to wait it out.

But before you even consider such an undertaking, you might find it worth your time to convince yourself that you absolutely, positively need something that's available only in the 2.4 branch.


I compiled in the past, but this is a very important server and I don't want to screw up things.
The function I'm searching for in Apache 2.4 is ErrorLogFormat, that helps to format errors log in php. Because I have many websites in a single virtual server, I can't understand which one is causing errors in the current log.

So, I'll just surrender and wait, however you can't "tar everyone with the same brush" saying that Apache 2.4 is SNS.

But please, wasn't there an apt-get force upgrade somewhere or a way to make exeptions importing testing stuff into stable releases ?
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby nadir » 2012-11-29 20:33

But please, wasn't there an apt-get force upgrade somewhere or a way to make exeptions importing testing stuff into stable releases ?

No.

but this is a very important server and I don't want to screw up things.

and this makes it a
NO !
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby dasein » 2012-11-29 20:40

Nokao wrote:But please, wasn't there an apt-get force upgrade somewhere or a way to make exeptions importing testing stuff into stable releases ?

Trying to mix Stable with Testing/Unstable/Experimental is an Amazingly Bad Idea. Search these forums to find multiple horror stories from people who have tried.

And trying to do it on a production server is just flat stupid.

I can't escape my sneaking suspicion that you're going to try to do it anyway. And then you'll come back here when your server is totally FUBAR and ask please, isn't there just some easy, one-click way to undo all the damage??

And the answer will still be "no."
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby Nokao » 2012-11-30 10:30

dasein wrote:I can't escape my sneaking suspicion that you're going to try to do it anyway. And then you'll come back here when your server is totally FUBAR and ask please, isn't there just some easy, one-click way to undo all the damage??

And the answer will still be "no."


*Nokao disappear in the dark*
*Nokao's skill sneaking is raised to 100%*
*Nokao's attempt to FUBAR his server was discovered by dasein*
*you hear the noise of an exploding server*
*you die*
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby dilberts_left_nut » 2012-11-30 19:37

Nokao wrote:The function I'm searching for in Apache 2.4 is ErrorLogFormat, that helps to format errors log in php. Because I have many websites in a single virtual server, I can't understand which one is causing errors in the current log.

You can already set different logfiles for each vhost.
But by "virtual server" it sounds like you mean "virtual host" and all your "many sites" are hanging off one CMS instance ...
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby Nokao » 2012-11-30 19:57

dilberts_left_nut wrote:
Nokao wrote:The function I'm searching for in Apache 2.4 is ErrorLogFormat, that helps to format errors log in php. Because I have many websites in a single virtual server, I can't understand which one is causing errors in the current log.

You can already set different logfiles for each vhost.
But by "virtual server" it sounds like you mean "virtual host" and all your "many sites" are hanging off one CMS instance ...


Exactly, so there is no solution to the problem,
unless waiting for Apache 2.4 to became a stable software for Debian.

And it is, stable, but Debian is very famous for it's prudence, so I'll be waiting so long.
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby dilberts_left_nut » 2012-11-30 20:13

Code: Select all
$ apt-cache policy apache2
apache2:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.2.22-12
  Version table:
     2.4.2-2 0
          1 http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main amd64 Packages
     2.2.22-12 0
        500 http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ testing/main amd64 Packages

It's currently in experimental. So might make it into the stable release of Jessie.
Should be only 3 years or so ... :lol:
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby nadir » 2012-11-30 21:27

dilberts_left_nut wrote:It's currently in experimental...:

does no one read my posts?
Oh internet ...
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby dilberts_left_nut » 2012-11-30 21:37

nadir wrote:Oh internet ...

:lol:

Attention spans are short. Re-mentioned it in relation to timing.
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby goofy79 » 2015-07-15 07:24

dilberts_left_nut wrote:Should be only 3 years or so ... :lol:


the 3 years nearly past 8)
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Re: Apache 2.4 in Debian - timings ?

Postby dilberts_left_nut » 2015-07-15 08:43

goofy79 wrote:
dilberts_left_nut wrote:Should be only 3 years or so ... :lol:


the 3 years nearly past 8)


And lo, 2.4 is in Jessie....
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