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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby jmgibson1981 » 2018-01-14 01:05

I also love diversity. However at what point is diversity > the greater good to. Is something else to consider. The greater good is never considered. Just "what I want to do because it's my right!" Finding the balance between the two is the hard part. I would even argue that resisting the greater good and instead going for diversity is almost selfish by the ones fighting the greater good.
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-01-14 09:15

I'll take unity over diversity anytime. If we compare software development to country's (cultural) development, we'll see that more homogenous countries have richer, more vibrant and historically longer culture.
EDIT: Removed overly-political content.
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby debiman » 2018-01-14 09:50

Wheelerof4te wrote:more homogenous countries have richer, more vibrant and historically longer culture.
Take, for example, (...) the USA.
First is centuries old nearly homogenous country with great working people, rich culture and massive economy for it's size. Very few prisons, crime is almost non-existent and if it happens it's commited by someone who's wielding a knife.

you can't be serious?
let's just agree to disagree...
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-01-14 10:25

EDIT: Removed mentions of countries, since criticising them is clearly banned here.

The point that I was trying to make is that you need mutual respect, cohesion and unity for any large project to succeed. We don't have much of that in Linux space, but I see a lot of pointless rivalry.
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-01-14 10:48

The point that I was trying to make is that you need mutual respect, cohesion and unity for any large project to succeed.

The great Microsoft philosophy , we can succeed if we are a monopoly, and don't allow any other options.

And now that Linux is a large project, every body MUST use only Gnome/unity,
if they don't , there system is unusable . (or at least they need to try to convince us of that)
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-01-14 17:42

Just a additional thought, the recent problems with this "sceptre", and "meldown" , and Intel,.... is another classic example of what happens when
you have 2 monopolies working together, the goal , eliminate choices and diversity, don't permit people to have choices, 20+ other applications that
not only can perform the same tasks, but perform them better are a big threat to the 2 great monopolies, all ways , when there are no other choices, the quality goes down,...these companies are living proof.

Postby makh »@GarryRicketson:
Sir! I am not talking of WMs. Only the "desktops". Routinely, due to Virtualbox, I myself run OB.

This really just goes to show, now the OP does not want to permit any one mentioning Window Managers, which are a desktop application, that perform
the same tasks any Desktop Environment can, with better reliability, less bloat,
etc. Window Managers work well on Laptops, as well as Desktop PC's, and are additional Laptop applications,... But NO, the OP does not want to see any body have choices, nor any one develop new and better applications, it would be a threat to the monopolies they support,... Gnome/unity , and KDE , Linux Mint, will be permitted because they are Windows like, instead of Unix like,
All diversity, and development of other desktop applications must be stopped.

makh wrote:
Did you really read my first post or are the usual troll?

The first post, oh yea, I did read it, and it is a typical absurd post , made by
a usual troll.
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Wheelerof4te »Microsoft understands this, so there is only one version of each Windows. Soon, there will be only Windows 10, and who knows?
Maybe after a few years, we will get a Microsofts's version of desktop Linux. They already said Windows 10 will the the last Windows.

Is that what you are hopping for ? It sure sounds like it.

Since it does not work well, they have to try to keep the monopoly. You can't allow people choices, and expect them to keep using a lousy product.
Eliminate the diversity, and choices, to maintain the monopoly. Intel has been doing the same.
There can never be to many Distros, the more the better, that way users are not stuck with being forced to use the ones that don't work well.
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby debiman » 2018-01-15 07:01

GarryRicketson wrote:the recent problems with this "sceptre", and "meldown" , and Intel,.... is another classic example of what happens when you have 2 monopolies working together, the goal , eliminate choices and diversity

good point, mr ricketson.

I'll concede:
it would be nice to have diversity AND unity. those are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but given the nature of people (and it's all about the people working on it, in linux), unlikely.
so, failing that, i'll take diversity over unity every time.
it's a glorious, global community effort.
and we learn how to make it work. maybe slower than the coding itself, but we do.
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby makh » 2018-01-16 03:09

GarryRicketson wrote:Just a additional thought...

Hi
Sir!
1. This is not WM discussion... sorry to repeat again.
2. This is a focus for a better Linux or Debian "DESKTOP", which has failed from last 25+ years. Still people prefer the closed source OSes with anti viruses.
3. I am not against 20+ OR 2000+ same project, but atleast like Debian, Fedora, Opensuse and probably a few others, a few desktops like xfce, cinnamon or KDE should be feature complete with good basic applications, for normal users. (and the same projects should be branches of each other).
4. If this is trolling, you dont need to post anything, at all. It is being discussed, if others feel something for it. There are many posts with zero replies.

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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-01-17 18:06

Yet another Weather Indicator

And it's really easy to use!
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$ go-weather-indicator --city Berlin --country Germany --key API_KEY


Such user friendliness! Who needs GNOME, KDE and all that point and click bloat!
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby stevepusser » 2018-01-17 20:19

Monoculture also works great in agriculture! Just ask the Irish in 1843, or the growers of the Gros Michel banana in the 1950s!
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby sunrat » 2018-01-18 05:15

makh wrote:1. This is not WM discussion... sorry to repeat again.

This is a public forum. You can plant a seed but it will grow wherever it likes.
2. This is a focus for a better Linux or Debian "DESKTOP", which has failed from last 25+ years. Still people prefer the closed source OSes with anti viruses.

Hasn't failed for me.
3. I am not against 20+ OR 2000+ same project, but atleast like Debian, Fedora, Opensuse and probably a few others, a few desktops like xfce, cinnamon or KDE should be feature complete with good basic applications, for normal users. (and the same projects should be branches of each other).

Having many similar programs is not only a Linux thing. I searched for "windows text editor" and got 6.5 million results. One was "32 best simple text editors for Windows as of 2018". Who knows how many were not best or simple?

Oh yeah, now weather has been mentioned:
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curl wttr.in/melbourne

It's 39°C here in Melbourne now.
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby makh » 2018-01-18 08:56

sunrat wrote:...

Hello
This discussion on Linux: mono - kernel
Not the diversified: Minix

But I respect views of others, ... on contrary I have mines...

Secondly:
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curl wttr.in/melbourne
2018/01/18 11:42:07 invalid character '<' looking for beginning of value
2018/01/18 11:42:07 Malformed response.

It failed... for me?
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby sunrat » 2018-01-18 11:17

makh wrote:But I respect views of others, ... on contrary I have mines...
I can see your point to some extent. I use Plasma 5.10 and it's the first Plasma 5 that hasn't annoyed me with too many bugs (looking at you Stretch with 5.8 ). With less choice of DE projects maybe more people would have worked on it and 5.8 might have been where 5.10 is now. With a lot less DE however, say only Gnome and Cinnamon, the situation would be unbearable if you didn't like those two. Maybe more choice means more people find something they like even if it takes a bit longer for development.
Whatever anyone thinks or talks about in a forum, it's not going to change and any attempt would be like trying to catch the wind. This topic has probably been debated ever since the second Linux distribution was released.

Secondly:
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curl wttr.in/melbourne
2018/01/18 11:42:07 invalid character '<' looking for beginning of value
2018/01/18 11:42:07 Malformed response.

It failed... for me?

:lol: touché
Try
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curl wttr.in/:help
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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

Postby debiman » 2018-01-18 17:55

makh wrote:2. This is a focus for a better Linux or Debian "DESKTOP", which has failed from last 25+ years.
no it isn't.
it is, and was from the start, a rant about having too many applications.

Still people prefer the closed source OSes with anti viruses.
so in your opinion linux will be succesful when it becomes the most used desktop OS.
boy, do i feel sorry for you.

4. If this is trolling, you dont need to post anything, at all.

yes, it IS trolling. you really don't need to post anything. at all.

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