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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-03 02:33

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andrewrogers wrote:I could use a 1GB DDR1 SO-DIMM for my Northwood lappy.


Do you need any specific RAM timings for your system? E.g. DDR 333 (PC 2700), DDR 400 (PC 3200), DDR 800 (PC 6400)? I can look around in my supply and if I don't have them, I will talk with fellow IT peeps around town. If that fails I will attempt to peruse the July surplus sale at my alma mater.


I don't think my PC cares. I didn't even know there was such an animal as DDR 800. My machine has an Intel 845 (Brookdale) chipset. I put one DDR 400 1GB DIMM in it, but it was the last one they had in stock at MicroCenter :? Don't most P4 machines have an FSB of 800MHz or more?

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andrewrogers wrote:I'll take ANY PowerPC hardware! I love those machines! An original Bondi Blue iMac or a Rev. B iMac would be awesome.


Fully working or "for parts/as-is"? Either way I'm pretty sure I can scrounge up some models around where I live.


Doesn't matter. I sure would like a G4 dual 800MHz or faster CPU for a Quicksilver. It has an 867MHz single at the moment.

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andrewrogers wrote:Beige Macs are cool, too.


Love those models. I bought an as-is Macintosh Classic II on eBay so I could gut it and turn it into a Debian GNU/Linux machine to troll hipsters at coffee shops :D


Nice! I trolled some people with my Raspberry Pi not too long ago... :mrgreen: PowerPC or 68k machines are great. Did you reuse the stock CRT??

Seriously, I'll take any hardware that can run Linux.

Will that GeForce FX5200 provide OpenGL on Debian out of the box? It could be used in my Northwood laptop's PCI docking station (an awesome beast of a docking station, BTW). I could PM my address, perhaps.

Also, complete or half-broken Thinkpads are cool, too.

If anyone wants a P4 Prescott machine, just ask. I have 3 of them. Two of them are just Intel mATX motherboards without cases, however, but they are all fully-functional. One is an Intel ATX in a mid-tower case (a nice plain black case with a cool blue power button). They are quite fast. I often don't see much of a difference between them and my Ivy Bridge for most basic tasks. They could all use better GPU's, though.

The Prescotts could use a bit more DDR2 RAM if they are to be competitive, however. I'd love to give the machines away to anyone who needs a rock-solid P4 machine. I'm short on funds at the moment, so I don't know how I would pay for shipping on them, though.

Sent from Andrew's Northwood laptop in bed :mrgreen:
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby /tmp » 2013-06-10 03:17

andrewrogers wrote:
Did you reuse the stock CRT??


Sadly, no. I wanted to properly dispose of it ASAP knowing the dangers of breaking the tubes inside. I say this because a hardware technician at one of my high schools -- I moved frequently during those years -- dropped a CRT during the installation of a monitor in our television studio and was killed by shrapnel.

andrewrogers wrote:Will that GeForce FX5200 provide OpenGL on Debian out of the box?


Did some digging and it looks like it will not :(

From NVIDIA's OpenGL Driver Support page:
The new features in OpenGL 3 require G80, or newer hardware. Thus OpenGL 3.0/3.1/3.2/3.3 is not supported on NV3x, NV4x nor G7x hardware.


andrewrogers wrote:I'm short on funds at the moment, so I don't know how I would pay for shipping on them, though.


That gives me an idea. Would it be beneficial if we, as a community, formed a "Free Hardware Bazaar" of sorts 501(c)(3) public charity group/foundation to help cover shipping, anti-static bags, boxes and help spread the message of Debian GNU/Linux and Free Software adoption?
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby acewiza » 2013-06-10 16:29

I have plenty of old hardware of all kinds sitting stored, unused. I also keep several rather long-in-the-tooth systems running various flavors of Linux as testing and storage platforms. But the reason the rest of the stuff is taking up space and gathering dust is because it is just basically obsolete. I don't wish to burden anyone with the frustration that would surely ensue attempting to utilize my old junk.
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-11 16:55

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andrewrogers wrote:
Did you reuse the stock CRT??


Sadly, no. I wanted to properly dispose of it ASAP knowing the dangers of breaking the tubes inside. I say this because a hardware technician at one of my high schools -- I moved frequently during those years -- dropped a CRT during the installation of a monitor in our television studio and was killed by shrapnel.


I don't blame you. Still cool.

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andrewrogers wrote:Will that GeForce FX5200 provide OpenGL on Debian out of the box?


Did some digging and it looks like it will not :(

From NVIDIA's OpenGL Driver Support page:
The new features in OpenGL 3 require G80, or newer hardware. Thus OpenGL 3.0/3.1/3.2/3.3 is not supported on NV3x, NV4x nor G7x hardware.


As long as OpenGL 2 works, I'll take it! 2 works, right?

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andrewrogers wrote:I'm short on funds at the moment, so I don't know how I would pay for shipping on them, though.


That gives me an idea. Would it be beneficial if we, as a community, formed a "Free Hardware Bazaar" of sorts 501(c)(3) public charity group/foundation to help cover shipping, anti-static bags, boxes and help spread the message of Debian GNU/Linux and Free Software adoption?


This would be a great idea. I would love to contribute hardware if others would help with shipping.

BTW, I will be moving out to the country by the end of this month: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=5520+damascus+road&hl=en&ll=39.241402,-77.111675&spn=0.007271,0.010933&sll=38.804821,-77.236966&sspn=3.745267,5.597534&t=h&hnear=5520+Damascus+Rd,+Gaithersburg,+Montgomery,+Maryland+20882&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.241563,-77.111875&panoid=v6yQjtiFr0LOpC0ID9WpEw&cbp=12,223.16,,0,16.17 , so I'll have some more room to aquire some hardware (at the expense of my wonderful FiOS :cry: ).
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby /tmp » 2013-06-12 19:50

andrewrogers wrote:As long as OpenGL 2 works, I'll take it! 2 works, right?


According to page 3 of the PDF found here it does :)


andrewrogers wrote:This would be a great idea. I would love to contribute hardware if others would help with shipping.


Here are some things I have pondered recently in regards to making this idea a reality.

1.) Utilize the hardware database at h-node.org which is licensed under the Public Domain.

2.) Figure out how to apply for 501 (c) (3) status as a public charity

According to the IRS Instruction 1023 (Rev. June 2012), we can create a constitution or "Articles of Association."

I found a page with links to sample organizing documents which could be used as a basis for this project.

3.) I also wanted to start a collaborative community project to write a series of books under the GNU Free Documentation License on how to maintain and troubleshoot hardware issues on Free Software systems.

I even thought of a nifty potential slogan: "Free as in Freedom and Free as in Free Gear."
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-13 20:49

/tmp wrote:
andrewrogers wrote:As long as OpenGL 2 works, I'll take it! 2 works, right?


According to page 3 of the PDF found here it does :)


andrewrogers wrote:This would be a great idea. I would love to contribute hardware if others would help with shipping.


Here are some things I have pondered recently in regards to making this idea a reality.

1.) Utilize the hardware database at h-node.org which is licensed under the Public Domain.

2.) Figure out how to apply for 501 (c) (3) status as a public charity

According to the IRS Instruction 1023 (Rev. June 2012), we can create a constitution or "Articles of Association."

I found a page with links to sample organizing documents which could be used as a basis for this project.

3.) I also wanted to start a collaborative community project to write a series of books under the GNU Free Documentation License on how to maintain and troubleshoot hardware issues on Free Software systems.

I even thought of a nifty potential slogan: "Free as in Freedom and Free as in Free Gear."


If you can help with some of the legal stuff, I'll start designing a site! :wink: I'm alright at designing sites.
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-14 00:28

acewiza wrote:I don't wish to burden anyone with the frustration that would surely ensue attempting to utilize my old junk.

How old are we talkin'?
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby /tmp » 2013-06-15 04:08

andrewrogers wrote:If you can help with some of the legal stuff, I'll start designing a site! :wink: I'm alright at designing sites.


Cool :) I can also help out; I build websites as contract work in addition to my multimedia projects.
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-17 02:38

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andrewrogers wrote:If you can help with some of the legal stuff, I'll start designing a site! :wink: I'm alright at designing sites.


Cool :) I can also help out; I build websites as contract work in addition to my multimedia projects.


Are you any good at server-side interaction or forms? I'm terrible at that, but I could probably pick it up quite quickly...

The question is, where would we host it?
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby /tmp » 2013-06-20 06:53

andrewrogers wrote:
/tmp wrote:
andrewrogers wrote:If you can help with some of the legal stuff, I'll start designing a site! :wink: I'm alright at designing sites.


Cool :) I can also help out; I build websites as contract work in addition to my multimedia projects.


Are you any good at server-side interaction or forms? I'm terrible at that, but I could probably pick it up quite quickly...


I'm currently learning a lot of the back-end stuff as I've spent the majority of my time with front-end web development.
In terms of interaction and forms I've found some interesting entries in my Perl and PHP books about various ways to do said actions.
After some much needed research on my end I will let you know what I come up with :)

andrewrogers wrote:The question is, where would we host it?


I have a professional hosting account at, appropriately enough, debian-hosting.com :)
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-20 16:11

/tmp wrote:I'm currently learning a lot of the back-end stuff as I've spent the majority of my time with front-end web development.
In terms of interaction and forms I've found some interesting entries in my Perl and PHP books about various ways to do said actions.
After some much needed research on my end I will let you know what I come up with :)

andrewrogers wrote:The question is, where would we host it?


I have a professional hosting account at, appropriately enough, debian-hosting.com :)


Good stuff! :P
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby /tmp » 2013-06-25 06:51

How far back should we go in terms of CPUs/processors? I'm scrapping my aunt's AMD AM2 machine due to a dead motherboard. Since this is a legacy OEM product from Gateway replacement parts are hard to find/expensive.

If anyone thinks AM2 are worth listing as available, I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor ADA3800CUBOX :)
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby paulcs » 2013-06-26 20:32

I would like some ddr2 ram if you got any. My laptop only has 2 gb ram and definitely would like to try and increase it to say like 4 gb ram. If possible....
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-27 16:17

/tmp wrote:How far back should we go in terms of CPUs/processors? I'm scrapping my aunt's AMD AM2 machine due to a dead motherboard. Since this is a legacy OEM product from Gateway replacement parts are hard to find/expensive.

If anyone thinks AM2 are worth listing as available, I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor ADA3800CUBOX :)


Anything that supports SATA should be pretty good. AM2 machines aren't too bad.
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Re: "Free as in Free Beer" Hardware /home

Postby andrewrogers » 2013-06-27 16:18

paulcs wrote:I would like some ddr2 ram if you got any. My laptop only has 2 gb ram and definitely would like to try and increase it to say like 4 gb ram. If possible....


I don't know if I have the right capacity for your needs.
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