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Debian 4.0 release
Debian 4.0 release
When will Etch be released? Does somebody know?
They promised it in December 2006 on site, but December is coming to end and the release is not there yet.
They promised it in December 2006 on site, but December is coming to end and the release is not there yet.
Re: Debian 4.0 release
You know how the bastards lie, Jan, Feb, March?olshevch wrote:When will Etch be released? Does somebody know?
They promised it in December 2006 on site, but December is coming to end and the release is not there yet.
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LOL! I have a shortcut to the graph of Release Critical Bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ...
It's kinda fun to watch the numbers go by:
8 closed, 2 opened. Yay!
1 closed, 13 opened. Ohhh Noooo!
I can see it trading in a range for a long time, just like the stock market.
I may get around to installing a release candidate before it's out, but I'm not in any hurry. Sarge with backports still serves my modest needs.
Be well,
Mike D.
It's kinda fun to watch the numbers go by:
8 closed, 2 opened. Yay!
1 closed, 13 opened. Ohhh Noooo!
I can see it trading in a range for a long time, just like the stock market.
I may get around to installing a release candidate before it's out, but I'm not in any hurry. Sarge with backports still serves my modest needs.
Be well,
Mike D.
Well, I am not in a hurry also. And I am interested in a somehow "stable" release. So, testings and debugging, what they are doing, are important for me. I don't have any illusions about resulting and current stability, but the fact that it is tested matters.
Sarge works great for me, but in some cases I would like to have gcc 4, which is not "stable" yet. I think, there are more packages, which I have to use in unstable distribution now.
Sarge works great for me, but in some cases I would like to have gcc 4, which is not "stable" yet. I think, there are more packages, which I have to use in unstable distribution now.
Re: Debian 4.0 release
Has Debian ever been released on time? Personally I don't care. Stable is (for me) only useful as a server OS and I don't need the latest, greatest from testing or Sid. I just want the release to be stable as always so that Debian can still retain its reputation of being one of the most stable OS's in the world.olshevch wrote:When will Etch be released? Does somebody know?
They promised it in December 2006 on site, but December is coming to end and the release is not there yet.
Of course Debian is not as innovative as other distros that do brilliant things like oh I dunno.....say putting user passwords in a plain text file.
Hmm is that what happens when you release too often, too fast?
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I care in the sense that the freeze-time has taken too long in recent pasts. A long cycle isn't that bad, but a very long freeze keeps too many improvements out of the release.
And an update somewhere between 1,5-2 years is good for the Open Source world which has rapid developments in some areas. Half a year as Ubuntu uses is too fast for me, but the many years of Microsoft (or Debian with sarge) are too long. Apple does this right aswell: they keep on releasing new versions of MacOSX at regular intervals.
And an update somewhere between 1,5-2 years is good for the Open Source world which has rapid developments in some areas. Half a year as Ubuntu uses is too fast for me, but the many years of Microsoft (or Debian with sarge) are too long. Apple does this right aswell: they keep on releasing new versions of MacOSX at regular intervals.
agreed, old releases also put people with new hardware in an awkward position of having to seriously hack up the installer or go onto the testing treadmill to get debian working on thier hardware at all.
this is going to be even more of a problem as sata (which i belive from a driver point of view is far less standardised) replaces pata in most new systems.
this is going to be even more of a problem as sata (which i belive from a driver point of view is far less standardised) replaces pata in most new systems.
Oh Noooooo!
Bugs back up over 100... <SIGH>
Looking at the graph, it's easy to project a relase date anywhere from the beginning of February to at least the middle of March!
Should we start a pool?
Be well,
Mike D.
Looking at the graph, it's easy to project a relase date anywhere from the beginning of February to at least the middle of March!
Should we start a pool?
Be well,
Mike D.
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Re: Debian 4.0 release
First, an estimate/target is not a "promise".Lou wrote:You know how the bastards lie, Jan, Feb, March?olshevch wrote:When will Etch be released? Does somebody know?
They promised it in December 2006 on site, but December is coming to end and the release is not there yet.
Second, it is not "lying" if the release gets put back.
Third, I assume by "they" and "the bastards" the previous posters are referring to the Debian devs, who are (with two highly-publicised exceptions!) *volunteers* who require no payment for providing such an amazing distro. Yes, the infighting is frustrating at times, but I think those of us who use Debian can still show a bit more gratitude to those who make it possible for us to do so.
Fourth, unless you really need to use the stable release and only the stable release, Etch is pretty well ready for use anyway (I've been running it since November 2005 without difficulty). No need for anyone to get impatient.
tipped by who?
or is this someone just saying won't be january now, must be febuary.
based on stuff like the rc bug count and the failure of the installer team to deliver an rc with the final kernel version yet i find it quite unlikely that there will be a release as soon as febuary.
edit: just read the linked post and it pointed to some shitty survey.
or is this someone just saying won't be january now, must be febuary.
based on stuff like the rc bug count and the failure of the installer team to deliver an rc with the final kernel version yet i find it quite unlikely that there will be a release as soon as febuary.
edit: just read the linked post and it pointed to some shitty survey.
Yep, that "survey" is meaningless except as a way to raise expectations inappropriately.
Right now the etch RC bug count has popped back to the 120's or so after hoveriing in the low 90's for a week or so. Obviously it's nothing but "tea leaves" as far as predicting a release that's going to happen when it happens and no sooner.
I'm curious...
Just who and how many and where are the people contributing to the process of RC bugs being squashed and new ones opened? Why do new bugs appear, and from what source? How will that bug count finally be brought to zero, and how will the decision be made that it's finally time to release?
Meanwhile, the installer team is loitering around their RC1. Is there some place a body can read about what's happening on that side of the project to see how it's going?
Thanks,
Mike D.
Right now the etch RC bug count has popped back to the 120's or so after hoveriing in the low 90's for a week or so. Obviously it's nothing but "tea leaves" as far as predicting a release that's going to happen when it happens and no sooner.
I'm curious...
Just who and how many and where are the people contributing to the process of RC bugs being squashed and new ones opened? Why do new bugs appear, and from what source? How will that bug count finally be brought to zero, and how will the decision be made that it's finally time to release?
Meanwhile, the installer team is loitering around their RC1. Is there some place a body can read about what's happening on that side of the project to see how it's going?
Thanks,
Mike D.