Ask? Yes.mad-murdock wrote:...I am the first to ask about the deeper meaning of his name?
Glad I could keep you entertained.mad-murdock wrote:Anyway, 2 hours later, and I am still entertained by this thread.
so, it's still moving!As i said i found a workaround, so this is now just a curiosity about what happened and why it worked before
The command ismillpond wrote:I believe apt has a utility for displaying package info, not sure about included files ....
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apt-file list [package]EDIT: See the post below.bester69 wrote:My stable system has:
Ubuntu's kernel 4.4.125 (I always use ubuntu's kernel)
firmware-intel-sound (bpo)
inte-microcode (bpo)
mpv, libav-* (deb-multimedia)
kodi 17.6 (Zesty ubuntu)
You, sir or madam, have a post waiting for you in our present administration!n_hologram wrote:bester has never made a ridiculous claim in his/her entire posting history.
i think i seem to remember some older posts where s/he DID cry "Help me! I swear I did NOTHING!", but hard-learned their lesson after our replies (if you do this you are on your own) and stopped posting these sort of threads.pylkko wrote:I think it is wrong/inappropriate to put bester on this list for two reasons 1) he is in his own class entirely 2) he does it deliberately. I mean most people on this list either have no idea what they are doing or think that they can get away with mixing sources from here and there, then not knowing what code they are using from where, they end up tripping themselves and cry. Some of them even then try to cover up their doings so that it is not obvious that they themselves borked it. Bester on the other hand has said from the start that he wants to trip up himself and he for sure as crap does not cover up anything.
That is unavoidable. I have seen newbies post in the Mint forum [yes, Mint!] who, having been told to [quite justifiably] go back to Windows, traverse over to Linux Forums to whinge there.debiman wrote: What worries me is that they might simply take these "Help me!" threads to another forum, knowing full well that here on fdn there's only one possible reaction.
That would depend on your perspective. As per your post "One Year of Debian", you are rather new here. Things really started to go down hill around 2011. Other threads related to the decline are here. It was a huge schism and exodus from this forum. Then systemd further drove away knowledgeable users. This forum is now pretty much an empty shell . . . no offense to the few here doing their best to keep it alive.Lysander wrote:FDN is not as strict as it used to be. This place has a reputation for being rather hardline, strict and occasionally rude, but it has softened in recent months.
I thought this was an insightful takeaway from one of the links you shared:golinux wrote:That would depend on your perspective. As per your post "One Year of Debian", you are rather new here. Things really started to go down hill around 2011. Other threads related to the decline are here. It was a huge schism and exodus from this forum. Then systemd further drove away knowledgeable users. This forum is now pretty much an empty shell . . . no offense to the few here doing their best to keep it alive.
On one hand, the quote summarizes this thread's topic: when one utilizes alien repos in lieu of compiling from source, bad things happen, because each distro makes changes in order to fit their project's particular needs. (edit:) Troll attributes this to "fragmentation," which I've seen defined several different ways; in this context, I think fragmentation can be best defined as "focusing on the specific distribution," and not as "[over]abundant choice." Choice, on the other hand, is the whole point of the Linux philosophy.Troll wrote:...developers are targeting their applications at distros, rather Linux and its libraries...
In addition, it's interesting to note that, six years ago, the issue of "software incompatibility for the sake of the distro" was discussed in great detail, and only now are we realizing its effects. What it leaves out is that 1) source codes are now requiring certain, undesirable software, due to the direction of major distros (eg, xfce and dbus); and 2) some source code can bypass features that distros leave enabled by default (eg, xfce and systemd). Both of those are two sides of the same issue, though: convenience over choice. It is admittedly a pain to compile any desktop environment from source; understandably, most people use something easier -- like a deb.Distros also insist on modifying applications they ship - usually making them incompatible with the original
Who can be bothered sitting at a terminal interface digging away at config files every time they want to do something, seriously.. its 2011.
This. After 7 years, a little has changed, and we still have that "do-it-the-hard-way" mindset. Thats why Ubuntu is still the most popular distro, even though it's inferior choice on a technical level than Debian.GUI's were created for user convenience. What would you rather do? Type tar xvf archive.tar /home/user/Desktop/ or *click click click*?
I know what I'd rather do. I have better things to do with my time than sitting at a 1970's terminal interface.
That's probably a good idea, since this thread is about repomixing.Wheelerof4te wrote:I would like to make another thread for this, though.
oh, really?Wheelerof4te wrote:^That Troll guy had some good points, even then.Who can be bothered sitting at a terminal interface digging away at config files every time they want to do something, seriously.. its 2011.
This. After 7 years, a little has changed, and we still have that "do-it-the-hard-way" mindset.[/quote]GUI's were created for user convenience. What would you rather do? Type tar xvf archive.tar /home/user/Desktop/ or *click click click*?
I know what I'd rather do. I have better things to do with my time than sitting at a 1970's terminal interface.
Not only that, I seem to be echoing the sentiments of those from many years back who were also rather new here at that time.golinux wrote:That would depend on your perspective. As per your post "One Year of Debian", you are rather new here.
What this shows, more than anything else, is that complaints relating to the decline of forum X are commonplace on the internet. Forums have their heyday, most notably recognisable by quality of information posted, knowledge of posters, rate of post turnover and helpfulness and efficiency of responses. But more than this, what makes any forum great is the extent to which the forum content fulfills that forum's raison d'etre. In my experience, internet forums tend to have what is generally regarded as one - and one only - peak period of indeterminate length after which its decline starts, and subsequently it will be difficult - if ever possible - for a similar state to be reached again.golinux wrote:Things really started to go down hill around 2011. Other threads related to the decline are here. It was a huge schism and exodus from this forum. Then systemd further drove away knowledgeable users. This forum is now pretty much an empty shell . . . no offense to the few here doing their best to keep it alive.