Thanks for your response confuseling. In hindsight it's always easy to nitpick someone's response, just some impressions. No response required...i need to move on.confuseling wrote:
systemd is a lot of separate binaries.
Most forum members are simple desktop/laptop OS enthusiasts. Does Debian or Linux really require more binaries and background daemons? Our OSs booted just fine the old school way. The more complex the software the more potential for problem.
Isn't it useful to keep init seperate, just as userspace is kept separate. Kernels are easily interchangeable. Users can still choose to run with TTY, framebuffer or Xvesa instead of Xorg. When Wayland is readily utilized, hopefully not everything else becomes obsolete.The philosophy makes sense as far as it goes - things should be interchangeable *where it's useful*. Sometimes it isn't - the kernel, xorg and so on are (or were... not sure much is happening in xorg land any more) developed fairly monolithically...So the question really is: is this a case where it's useful to develop something monolithically?
In my opinion monolithic is not desirable, it's really just a shortcut to get everything installed in one fell swoop and i choose to build from the ground up. Hundreds of years later, that's still how houses get built.
From many on this and other Linux forums, the change wasn't embraced willingly. Users who require newer software may eventually have no choice but to change. When leaded fuel was no longer processed, car owners had to switch to unleaded. The switch then also occurred quickly, the next time the tank was empty.But I take it as a given that if most distros and several DEs embrace something fairly quickly, it looks good to people who know a hell of a lot more about it than I do.
Maybe you just made this statement to pacify - not sure. If systemd is not yet stable, what the heck is it doing in a stable Debian release? (sorry mor for the h-word )I don't doubt that once systemd has stabilised (if it stabilises...
To me this doesn't hold water, the systemd codebase is huge and complex, developed by a team over several years. Even an experienced and competent programmer would be hardpressed to make substantial changes to the code....there's too much invested in Linux's independence, and we have the source.
As before i agree this is over the top. It's really just an OS but some have trouble getting over the anger...it takes time. Glad people vent their feelings, imagine if all this aggression and anger was pent up inside.Debate the design or philosophy all you like. But if anyone insists on calling it a virus, or a corporate takeover of the tech committee, or calling Mr Poettering 'Lenfart' I reserve the right to laugh at them, they have it coming