Hey, just like you. What a coincidence! :)tomazzi wrote:Yes, that's pretty much what i'm trying to tell You: systemd is created by jerks, who are thinking that they are geniuses - but in fact, they are simply uneducated ...
Here You have technical description of the most fundamental problem in systemd:reinob wrote:Hey, just like you. What a coincidence!tomazzi wrote:Yes, that's pretty much what i'm trying to tell You: systemd is created by jerks, who are thinking that they are geniuses - but in fact, they are simply uneducated ...
Don't be a jerk, and don't be uneducated. Be technical, and objective. Deal?
I assume it will have to be before the 5th freeze date, Not much time left before BOOM!edbarx wrote:I am waiting for the DDs to drop the thermonuclear bomb i.e. mandate systemd in SID.
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void adapt_to_systemd()
{
bool bomb_dropped;
while (1) {
bomb_dropped = (check_sid_for_systemd() == 1);
if (bomb_dropped) break;
else continue_using_wheezy_and_jessie();
}
int battle_won = start_final_battle();
if (battle_won > 0) // it takes some time to win a battle; -1 means battle lost
continue_using_debian();
else install_salix_or_equivalent();
}You pretty much nailed it, Steve Ballmer once called Linux a "cancer", or was it FOSS, I forget, either way, I won't be using this Redhat/Poettering 'Medusa' (lots of tentacles/snakes to bring your whole system down), if I can't control anything, fully understand it or can't trust it completely, it does NOT stay on my machine, I don't give a $#1+ who wrote it or how many lemmings have jumped off the virusd cliff already. I can't wait for some pimply faced kid to find an exploit, then I'll be whizzing in my pants from laughing so hard. Redhat/Poettering, congrats, you're the new cancer of the Linux world, a dubious 'honour'.edbarx wrote:I will wait until DDs push systemd (aka virusd) down our throats irrespective of the fact that systemd is still in its embyonic stage and will reduce Debian to the pityful state of Windows 95, 98 and ME back in the nineties and early into the new millenium!
Really?Linadian wrote:if I can't control anything, fully understand it or can't trust it completely, it does NOT stay on my machine,
AdrianTM wrote:There's no hacker in my grandma...
Really !or can't trust it ... , it does NOT stay on my machine,
Now, obviously I agree right up until the part where he says he doesn't need to know any more.I fall on the side of the anti-systemd crowd for the very simple reason that all they are asking for is the same freedom of choice that brought most of them into the *nix world in the first place, whereas the pro-systemd crowd just seems to want everyone to be forced to use their brand new toy. No one has yet said anything on this issue that has convinced me I need to know more than that .... Choice is everything, or Linux becomes a joke to its most die-hard users and supporters. If systemd becomes an unremovable parasite on the kernel, even if it's a symbiotic parasite, those who do not wish to use it will simply flee the Linux world entirely. Can the Linux community survive losing a third or even a quarter of its developers over the next couple of years? It's an interesting question.
And I'm not sure that Linux is in danger of losing "a third to a quarter of its developers". I'd like to believe that those "doers" who become dissatisfied will devote their efforts to alternatives.Irony isn't even close to it."Ultimately, the cruel irony is that in systemd’s attempt to supposedly unify the distributions, it has created a huge rift unlike any other and is exacerbating the long-present hostilities between desktop Linux and minimalist Linux sides at rates that are absolutely atypical."
Yes. I'm going to take it a step further and hope that there'll be Linux options.fruitofloom wrote:....what matters more is quality, compared to quantity.
....there will probably be more options than BSD ones.
Yep, really, I go to great lengths to find out what stuff is and what it does, I can read for hours. You should see me de-virus a Windows machine (ALL so-called 'anti-virus' scam-ware is useless), like picking nits of my pet's fur, nothing escapes me, I didn't get that good by a fluke or being a dumbass.dilberts_left_nut wrote:Really?Linadian wrote:if I can't control anything, fully understand it or can't trust it completely, it does NOT stay on my machine,
Actually, I've been thinking about this, if I'm going to have kernel invading corpware bloat forced on to my machine, I might as well go for a Debian Xfce on steroids, that would be Mint 17 Xfce (2 years system/apps LTS plus another 3 years security updates), a lot less work to install and at least I'll know where I stand, they make no bones or have no shame about anything, lol.Bulkley wrote:I haven't made up my mind yet. I'm waiting & seeing. I'll probably go with whatever is in Jessie when the time comes.
I'm starting to agree, installed Mint 17 Xfce on my old machine, the only positive thing is it has DVDStyler, other than that, I can feel the virusd bugs, it's heavily infested, gkrellm seems 'jailed' like on a BSD system, the only sensor values accessible to tweak (offsets) are the HDD temps, everything else is locked, this isn't a huge issue but even on my new machine in Wheezy, grkrellm works perfectly and all values are accessible. Even simple things in Mint like adding icons or wallpaper to the appropriate directories is a chore now, it feels like excessive permissions lock-down.fleabus wrote:I'm just gonna go retro Debian, stick with Wheezy or Wheezy-based, that's good for a couple more years.
Plenty of time to learn Slackware and just, in general, to wait and see. A lot can happen in the next two or three years.
I'm hopeful there will still be Linux solutions. Maybe even Debian ones.
This is basically my path, with a slight bias towards *BSD. On the topic of Slackware, assuming parasited roots itself deeply enough into the kernel, would it even make sense to switch to a Linux-based distro? (This has been a widely-discussed topic as of late, but I know very little about how slackware differs from, say, Debian.)fleabus wrote:I'm just gonna go retro Debian, stick with Wheezy or Wheezy-based, that's good for a couple more years.
Plenty of time to learn Slackware...
the crunkbong project: scripts, operating system, the list goes on...bester69 wrote:There is nothing to install in linux, from time to time i go to google searching for something fresh to install in linux, but, there is nothing
Slackware 14.1 default install comes in at around 8Gb including KDE/XFCE and a few other thinner window managers. The large default install is one way round the lack of dependency resolution when using the 'provided' package managers. You compile 'slackbuilds' to add other programs, not difficult but can take a bit of time on older hardware. The slackers are a pragmatic bunch not given to drama. If it becomes impossible to provide a decent desktop without systemd, they will include it. But just enough of it to make KDE workn_hologram wrote:This is basically my path, with a slight bias towards *BSD. On the topic of Slackware, assuming parasited roots itself deeply enough into the kernel, would it even make sense to switch to a Linux-based distro? (This has been a widely-discussed topic as of late, but I know very little about how slackware differs from, say, Debian.)fleabus wrote:I'm just gonna go retro Debian, stick with Wheezy or Wheezy-based, that's good for a couple more years.
Plenty of time to learn Slackware...
