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Where will you go after systemd?
Where will you go after systemd?
So, after systemd schism I'd like to read from those opting here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=118329 to leave Debian: Where will you go?
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
There are basically two deterrents in my case. The first one, is I don't want to use installers to install my operating systems, and the second, is I want use a distribution with dependency resolution and similar to Debian. This means, most probably, I will stay here, unless debianfork do provide an option. I hope, although I am not totally confident, that I should be able to do the necessary modifications for the software I use. Till now, I succeeded to do some changes in sysvinit to move it to a separate directory, which is almost nothing, compared to other more demanding changes.
It seems, if surgeons next January do not find a terminal cancer, my retirement will be one full of C/C++ code tinkering. I learnt of appalling stories, of people who were repeatedly tested for cancer, with tests repeatedly indicating the absence of cancer, but at the end, the monster showed its fearful horns, and it was their demise...
It seems, if surgeons next January do not find a terminal cancer, my retirement will be one full of C/C++ code tinkering. I learnt of appalling stories, of people who were repeatedly tested for cancer, with tests repeatedly indicating the absence of cancer, but at the end, the monster showed its fearful horns, and it was their demise...
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Debian == { > 30, 000 packages }; Debian != systemd
The worst infection of all, is a false sense of security!
It is hard to get away from CLI tools.
The worst infection of all, is a false sense of security!
It is hard to get away from CLI tools.
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
I'll tell you where I'll go.
First, I'm going to go to this page.
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Pre ... stallation
Then I'm going to go to
/etc/apt/preferences
Then I'm going to tack to the wall with
That's how I'm voting.
Systemd is asking to come in.
And I'm saying no.
If this breaks my system, then I'm reporting systemd as a bug.
First, I'm going to go to this page.
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Pre ... stallation
Then I'm going to go to
/etc/apt/preferences
Then I'm going to tack to the wall with
Code: Select all
#screwyoud
Package: systemd
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100
Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100
Package: libpam-systemd
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100
Package: systemd*
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100
Systemd is asking to come in.
And I'm saying no.
If this breaks my system, then I'm reporting systemd as a bug.
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
Argh! Added that option, but all votes got reset to zero! Could you please place your votes again?
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
I'm still staying with a debian derivative (antiX) and running it (sid repos) without systemd (except libsystemd0 which doesn't seem to be doing any harm, at the moment)
antiX with runit - lean and mean.
https://antixlinux.com
https://antixlinux.com
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
You really should include an option in the poll for those who wish to use Jessie with systemd, just to be fair. There are some folks who will happily march on with Systemd in their lives, afterall, and we really should be taking metrics on this. I, for one, would really like to know how many folks are happy to run Systemd in Debian.
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
Try;-buntunub wrote:I, for one, would really like to know how many folks are happy to run Systemd in Debian.
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
Maybe OpenBSD or FreeBSD as a last resort.
I'll probably try to stick with Debian first and give systemd a try. If it's as problematic as I hear, Debian and not allowing systemd to be installed seems like a good idea to try out too like a couple of you said.
So... Undecided!
I'll probably try to stick with Debian first and give systemd a try. If it's as problematic as I hear, Debian and not allowing systemd to be installed seems like a good idea to try out too like a couple of you said.
So... Undecided!
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
I think that I am going to go with Gentoo. I find FreeBSD interesting, but I would rather stay with Linux for the time being. If systemd encroaches more and I can't keep it out, then I think that I will eventually end up in FreeBSD.
I am just hoping that maybe enough people will leave Debian that they will be forced to reconsider their position.
I am just hoping that maybe enough people will leave Debian that they will be forced to reconsider their position.
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
+1buntunub wrote:You really should include an option in the poll for those who wish to use Jessie with systemd, just to be fair. There are some folks who will happily march on with Systemd in their lives, afterall, and we really should be taking metrics on this. I, for one, would really like to know how many folks are happy to run Systemd in Debian.
Here is one happy person.
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
I plan to continue running Debian. Looking forward to installing Jessie.
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
I'm leaving my non-systemd options open. Hell, I'm even flirting with the idea of returning to OS/2 (via ecomstation).
(I *knew* I shoulda kept those old OS/2 books that I finally gave away 3 years ago.)
(I *knew* I shoulda kept those old OS/2 books that I finally gave away 3 years ago.)
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
27k installed? That seems rather difficult to believe, unless that counts servers and duplicate votes. I was referring to desktop home users.PeterB wrote:Try;-buntunub wrote:I, for one, would really like to know how many folks are happy to run Systemd in Debian.
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
Compared with dpkg for a bit of perspective.
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php? ... stemd+dpkg
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php? ... stemd+dpkg
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
well, compared to ~ 180k of sysv-rc ... https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=sysv-rcbuntunub wrote:27k installed? That seems rather difficult to believe, unless that counts servers and duplicate votes. I was referring to desktop home users.
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
For servers, the older non-systemd versions of Debian can be used provided security patches and their kernels are updated to recognize and use new hardware. With systemd, Debian is going to lose on the server side, at least, this appears it will be the case.
Needless to ask, who is the idiot who will rely on swiss-cheese-d to power a server?
Needless to ask, who is the idiot who will rely on swiss-cheese-d to power a server?
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Debian == { > 30, 000 packages }; Debian != systemd
The worst infection of all, is a false sense of security!
It is hard to get away from CLI tools.
The worst infection of all, is a false sense of security!
It is hard to get away from CLI tools.
Re: Where will you go after systemd?
I never got to try OS/2 back in the day. Ecomstation. New one on me, just looked that up.dasein wrote:Hell, I'm even flirting with the idea of returning to OS/2 (via ecomstation).
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Re: Where will you go after systemd?
It's mainly "server-side" that gets the touted advantages, daemon supervision being a big one for regular "old-style" servers, as well as the cloudy containers stuff.edbarx wrote:For servers, the older non-systemd versions of Debian can be used provided security patches and their kernels are updated to recognize and use new hardware. With systemd, Debian is going to lose on the server side, at least, this appears it will be the case.
Once it's piped through Debian stable, in all likelihood, that would be me.Needless to ask, who is the idiot who will rely on swiss-chease-d to power a server?
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