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Postby mean_dean » 2015-01-06 15:33

systemd is just one change of a million that has been made in the past five years...why fight it...
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby keithpeter » 2015-01-06 23:23

Nice howto. More of a bird's eye view than my Old-School desktop (see sig) and I'll add those apt config settings (with a link back to this) when I next edit my page.

What about printing? Anyone know how to set up printing without cups using lpr/lpd and filters for non PS printers? That should cut out all the dbus stuff.

I can live with pmount for USB sticks but I need to print!
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby mean_dean » 2015-01-06 23:57

keithpeter wrote:my Old-School desktop (see sig)

Nice! I like it!

If you reboot before trying to remove systemd then you wont get errors...



And pmount doesnt need the /dev part you can just do pmount sdb1
Pmount can also be used for hard drive partitions, check out the /etc/pmount.allow file where you define devices you want to allow a user to mount.

What about printing?

I havent played with that as I never print anything.
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby Bulkley » 2015-01-07 01:16

keithpeter wrote:What about printing? Anyone know how to set up printing without cups using lpr/lpd and filters for non PS printers? That should cut out all the dbus stuff.


I understand that it is relatively easy to set up if you have a postscript printer and very difficult if you don't.
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby woteb » 2015-01-08 08:59

Well done gentlemen!!! I've read this and executed it on a Virtualbox Debian Testing machine. I've done this with a new barbone system (minimal with a modified /etc/apt configuration and systemv installed) and on an existed system with a complete XFCE4 system with systemd (and cups-pdf) aready installed. On that last machine I've removed systemd with the installation of the systemv packages. CUPS continued to work. I will test or I can install cupf-pdf on that barbone systemv machine, but I think now that cups-pdf give no problems.

I understand that your way of installing is ideally for servers and (very) lightweight systems. Servers don't need a gui and with your approach servers can run without systemd and running on the old-way systemv.
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby Deb-fan » 2015-01-22 14:22

Just another thanks for the how 2, Mean_Dean.

Think it's cool to see a Debian user who doesn't want systemd, taking control of their system and figuring out an effective way to do it. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby mean_dean » 2015-01-22 14:41

welcome

think I am going to update it and add how to block just the init system as well...
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby n_hologram » 2015-01-23 00:44

woteb wrote:I've read this and executed it [ ... ] and on an existed system with a complete XFCE4...

I didn't see any XFCE programs in mean_dean's list (though it looks like LXDE is pretty much there). To save me the time of replicating these steps, are you confirming that XFCE can be safely installed/utilized with this method (ie, sans-systemd)?
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby mean_dean » 2015-01-23 01:41

depends on what you call systemd

if you are willing to have systemd libs then you can install just about anything...if you do not want to install libsystemd then you got the list above to choose from


but you can avoid libs and still install many things including xfce if you use some other repos - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=119836
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Re: debian jessie - no systemd - no 3rd party

Postby woteb » 2015-01-23 14:25

@N_Hologram: Yes, I wroto that posting from a testlaptop running Jessie without systemd and with de XFCE desktop. I've a nearly equal instlallation on that Jessie system as my work Wheezy system. I can only report at this moment that GVFS is a problem. That's asking for systemd and I will look for an working alternative for that.
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Re: nothing here

Postby n_hologram » 2015-01-28 20:35

Why did the original howto disappear?
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Re: nothing here

Postby mean_dean » 2015-01-29 00:04

Wow! I wondered how long it would take before someone noticed.

trying to decide if it makes any sense....might make sense to block systemd init but I really do not see any need to worry about systemd libs...

I think this is the better method anyway viewtopic.php?f=20&t=119836
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Re: nothing here

Postby n_hologram » 2015-01-29 01:24

mean_dean wrote:Wow! I wondered how long it would take before someone noticed.

trying to decide if it makes any sense....might make sense to block systemd init but I really do not see any need to worry about systemd libs...

I think this is the better method anyway viewtopic.php?f=20&t=119836

i don't see why your ambivalence would lead you to delete the whole tutorial, but 10/10 troll.

Quite a few projects (refracta comes to mind) have already bypassed the systemd libs, so i doubt that switching repos would be a prefereable idea.
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Re: nothing here

Postby mean_dean » 2015-01-29 02:02

:lol: good times....good good times...

if you block systemd libs then the only things available is basic window managers and very basic software

if you allow systemd libs then you can have a somewhat comfortable desktop

if you use a handful of packages from those third party repos (the packages are from a debian developer) then you can avoid the libs and the init and still have a very comfortable desktop


and the way refracta has done so in the past is to use old packages and/or some third party packages to create some basic openbox, lxpanel, environemnt...perfectly acceptable....especially at that time....but I hope they will use angband and/or trios repos to get back to their normal xfce desktop...


by the way, do you know whom the creator of the refracta project is?
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Re: nothing here

Postby n_hologram » 2015-01-29 02:13

mean_dean wrote:by the way, do you know whom the creator of the refracta project is?

Nice. I don't use it, but when I tested, it seemed legit (even if only for a server). Hopefully things continue going well.

In any case, my original point remains.
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